DOCJACOB Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Was on a mission to find an image now posted elsewhere tonight and came across these. Had completely forgotten I'd taken them in circa 7/81, aside from that can't remember too many published images either. Anyway the signals and the fencing designed to protect trains from rock falls. I'm sure someone else has better quality ones to share Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Do Nicely Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Anderson's piano? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
emac Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Was on a mission to find an image now posted elsewhere tonight and came across these. Had completely forgotten I'd taken them in circa 7/81, aside from that can't remember too many published images either. Anyway the signals and the fencing designed to protect trains from rock falls. I'm sure someone else has better quality ones to share Try a search on Google for PASS OF BRANDER STONE FALL SIGNALS then go to images plenty of links from there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
emac Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Could not help looking at a few links this on was interesting http://www.railsigns.uk/info/stonesig1/stonesig1.html That Google is a thief of time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitalspark Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Was on a mission to find an image now posted elsewhere tonight and came across these. Had completely forgotten I'd taken them in circa 7/81, aside from that can't remember too many published images either. Anyway the signals and the fencing designed to protect trains from rock falls. I'm sure someone else has better quality ones to share I thought they normally were in the off position..both arms up? Pic shows the 37 apparently passing the signal 'on'?.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strathyre Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 The On signal indicates a possibly broken wire which may indicate an obstruction - train crew were instructed to proceed at walking pace until they reached the obstruction or reached the next clear signal, and to report the position of the signal Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJCT Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I thought they normally were in the off position..both arms up? Pic shows the 37 apparently passing the signal 'on'?.. My copy of the 1969 Sc.R Sectional Appendix says that as long as the screen wires remain intact the signals remain at clear, but if one or more wire is broken by falling stones, Up and Down signals go to danger. When a Driver sights a signal at danger "he must reduce speed and proceed cautiously sending his Secondman forward to ascertain if the line is clear, until a second clear signal is reached" - the implication being that these signals can be passed at danger. It also says that the apparatus is connected with bells in Dalmally and Taynuilt token stations, but I don't have any recent information as to what happens since the advent of RETB and the abolition of token working and signal-boxes. Alasdair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitalspark Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 My copy of the 1969 Sc.R Sectional Appendix says that as long as the screen wires remain intact the signals remain at clear, but if one or more wire is broken by falling stones, Up and Down signals go to danger. When a Driver sights a signal at danger "he must reduce speed and proceed cautiously sending his Secondman forward to ascertain if the line is clear, until a second clear signal is reached" - the implication being that these signals can be passed at danger. It also says that the apparatus is connected with bells in Dalmally and Taynuilt token stations, but I don't have any recent information as to what happens since the advent of RETB and the abolition of token working and signal-boxes. Alasdair So the actual pic is of a loco proceeding at caution because of possible obstruction..I have never seen these signals show a warning indication..good pic. When I was a very small child we used to visit a signalman on the line..he lived in one of a row of cottages attached to the box which had a platform in front of same..bit like a short station but not sure if it was ever used as such. I do know that when the wives of the signalman or other cottage occupants were requiring to go into town..Oban I presume..the train stopped there for them..different world! Loch Awe crossing rings a bell..it was very close to Dalmally. I do have a picture of it and will attempt to dig it out..taken I would think about 1957. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOCJACOB Posted October 6, 2015 Author Share Posted October 6, 2015 Have to honest the signal position in the photo hadn't fully registered and I took it! I doubt in todays climate I would have been treated so leniently and allowed to get so close. Anyway the signal may show "danger" for reasons other than rock falls; Deer, Sheep, Hill Walkers, Trees and Frost have been culprits in the past? As for slowing it was a long time ago and I was a lot younger but I dont think so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted October 6, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 6, 2015 These are not stop signals in the block working sense. They may be passed at "danger" subject as noted to the train being run forward at caution, anticipating and able to stop short of an obstruction. They are normally cleared in both directions which to the professional railwayman's eye looks odd as it might imply trains are cleared to approach simultaneously in both directions on the single line. That is not the case. One might be in the danger position and the other cleared if a wire of "Anderson's Piano" (as noted in a post above) has been sufficiently disturbed. That may be by a rock or earth-fall which has not triggered all the wires or might be the result of animal contact. Are these now the only fixed "conventional" signals remaining anywhere in RETB areas? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bon Accord Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 These are not stop signals in the block working sense. They may be passed at "danger" subject as noted to the train being run forward at caution, anticipating and able to stop short of an obstruction. They are normally cleared in both directions which to the professional railwayman's eye looks odd as it might imply trains are cleared to approach simultaneously in both directions on the single line. That is not the case. One might be in the danger position and the other cleared if a wire of "Anderson's Piano" (as noted in a post above) has been sufficiently disturbed. That may be by a rock or earth-fall which has not triggered all the wires or might be the result of animal contact. Are these now the only fixed "conventional" signals remaining anywhere in RETB areas? There is still a small bastion of mechanically worked signals in the Fort William Junction area, despite both the Mallaig and WHL lines being RETB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasp Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 I understand from a Network Rail engineer that these are currently being removed by a contractor to Network Rail. Some of the equipment is to be retained for preservation, probably at Bo'ness. All is being extensively photographed. Jim P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60091 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 I found this shot from September 1988 with 37402 Oban-Glasgow Unfortunately a lot of the signals detail is lost in the background foliage. Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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