AireValley1962 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Hey all, I'd be wondering what your thoughts are on this layout plan. The dimensions are 22 inches by 12 inches(dictated by a spare board which I have), with the single point being controlled by wire-in-tube. The backscene on the right of the plan will be altered to give clearance for rolling stock. I want to use my Hornby 0F as the shunter and it fits on the sector plate and the headshunt with one wagon - which is all I want. Cheers, William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Have you thought about using a Peco Loco-Lift instead of the sector plate? It's a little longer-loco plus two wagons, and with more than one you can ring the changes. Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AireValley1962 Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 Have you thought about using a Peco Loco-Lift instead of the sector plate? It's a little longer-loco plus two wagons, and with more than one you can ring the changes. Ed I hadn't thought about that, but since I am trying to stick with what I have and not spend anything on this project, I will extend the sector plate to fit two wagons like you helpfully suggested. Cheers, William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted April 7, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 7, 2015 Looks good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rue_d_etropal Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Nice plan, this is just the type of mini layout I designed my 3D printed inset track for. Maybe even adding a wagon turntable to rear siding for added interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neil Posted April 7, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 7, 2015 Like the plan lots, but I'd try to avoid the stepped square corners in the backscene by the bridge. My suggestion would be a gentle curve shown by the red line shown overlaid on your plan below. The bridge may need to be repositioned, perhaps at a flatter angle to disguise the exit off scene, or perhaps advertising hoardings would do the job with the bridge in its original orientation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AireValley1962 Posted April 8, 2015 Author Share Posted April 8, 2015 I have done an updated plan which is attached below. I found a slightly larger baseboard which is a better size: 11"X30". The plan has been altered to fit, which means a longer sector plate, head-shunt and siding. Following the suggestion of Neil, I have made a curved back-scene and adjusted things to suit. I won't have a road bridge but a foot bridge instead, and to make the scenic break well camouflaged I'll use overgrown bushes. The overgrown siding will feature a little coaling stage and water crane which will take the eye away from the 'hole in the sky'. I have a bunch of little scratch-built and kit built structures, and ScaleScenes kits which I will be using for the buildings. I might mention that the whole point of this little micro layout exercise is to use up parts that I have and leftovers from my other layout Bishopdale. I am not allowing myself to spend anything - so far that is working. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AireValley1962 Posted April 8, 2015 Author Share Posted April 8, 2015 Forgot to mention that I also rotated the layout to give the illusion of more space and help with alignments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I know you are doing a quayside, but can I suggest a look at http://www.carendt.com/small-layout-scrapbook/page-59a-march-2007/ - for a variation : 3rd Layout down "Maldon Market Hill" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 47137 Posted April 8, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 8, 2015 I like this plan, but in the smaller version (yesterday) the back scene goes a bit too close the tracks going to the Y point - not enough room for the trains. The larger version (today) will make a better model. - Richard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AireValley1962 Posted April 8, 2015 Author Share Posted April 8, 2015 I know you are doing a quayside, but can I suggest a look at http://www.carendt.com/small-layout-scrapbook/page-59a-march-2007/ - for a variation : 3rd Layout down "Maldon Market Hill" Thanks, Shortliner, for your suggestion. That does indeed look like a very interesting spin on my plan, but I think I will stick with a yard, if not quay-side idea. I think I would prefer only freight on this little layout. I like this plan, but in the smaller version (yesterday) the back scene goes a bit too close the tracks going to the Y point - not enough room for the trains. The larger version (today) will make a better model. - Richard. That was something which I found out this morning as I was shuffling mock-ups around. I appreciate your encouraging comments, Richard. _____________ Cheers, William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AireValley1962 Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 Bother it all. My fiddle yard on Bishopdale just gave out. That means no work here until it is fixed. I am sorry about that, and I do appreciate the feedback I have received on here, but for now I'm spending time making Bishopdale work the way it was intended. Cheers, William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rue_d_etropal Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 here is my idea using my inset track system. I have stretched it to 24in long, but could be reduced to 22in, or even expanded to fit in an APA box. About 10in deep. By having the wagon turntables there is a lot of potential in shunting, possibly even using rope and capstans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jongudmund Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Sorry this is a bit impertinent rue d'etropal, and I don't understand where that bridge is meant to be going? Is that the end of the dock there? It seems unlikely a bridge would span a working dock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rue_d_etropal Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 It is probably a canal side location. Water level is a bit lower than I would actually make it, unless it is tidal. Plenty of bridges cross canals. Docks in cities such as London do have bridges connecting what is in effect islands. I am thinking it could be somewhere like Manchester or London. Having said that, I know of small harbours on rivers with bridges across said river. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc435 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 What about the bridge being a loader for bulk items? Conveyor belt hidden inside and a walkway up one side. with a drop shute over the water. Chris Nevards' Cement Quay had a small Cement loading shute on it. Hope this helps. Andy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rue_d_etropal Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 could be, but probably more bridges across water with quaysides next to them. In fact having the bridge and quayside makes sense, as it makes transfer to road transport easier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jongudmund Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Yes, I get it if it's a canal quay-side. I was thinking proper ocean-going docks. Probably because I've walked round Bristol and Cardiff docks recently and there aren't (m)any high level bridges. Dockside level swing bridges and things, but none at such a high level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajaxjones Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 At Wells-next-the-sea on the quay side there is large high level structure that protudes from a warehouse that almost looks like half a bridge https://goo.gl/maps/D396y Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rue_d_etropal Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Sometimes it is the obvious what we miss. Take London, not the docks are, but the more central parts . The quaysides now filled up with passenger boats were originally built for cargo boats. Many of these would be ocean going. also many smaller towns on rivers, and bridge would cross over river. As I am actually thinking of a NW location for my version, then it will most likely be a canal. The buildings might even be taller, as many of these waterside buildings could be 5 floors or more. I am also currently thinking about suitable brickwork(bond was what some call 'garden wall', which is 3 stretches then one row of headers). In fact I did not originally notice the quayside stopped at the bridge and just continued it along the front edge. There is probably more justification for a bridge in this case. Bridges don't come cheap, which is why many river crossing were and still are in some places ferry operated. Many bridges would have also been tolls so would have made money for the town. The bridge I have included is probably too small for this and is more likely there to link the warehouses and factories on either side of river or canal. Remember water was not just important for transport but was essential for the mills and factories. although most of the water courses were underground, therefore not visible for modelling. The sewers came later, but were possibly interlinked with older water systems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajaxjones Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 If you are talking sewers, then there was the Cockermouth Sewer Contract ? 1988 2 ft (610 mm) ? Cockermouth, England Temporary line to serve the renewal of the main sewer tunnel. Used battery electric locomotives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted May 7, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 7, 2015 Like the plan lots, but I'd try to avoid the stepped square corners in the backscene by the bridge. My suggestion would be a gentle curve shown by the red line shown overlaid on your plan below. modified plan.jpg The bridge may need to be repositioned, perhaps at a flatter angle to disguise the exit off scene, or perhaps advertising hoardings would do the job with the bridge in its original orientation. Also by pivoting the sector plate at the end would give you more scenery space and ease the curves on the entrance tracks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyram Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Just found this thread. I do like the updated plan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rue_d_etropal Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I now have the 3D printed track to start my version of this small layout. I will start a new thread soon. I am currently sorting out a source of garden wall bond brickwork, which was commonly used for NORI brick built buildings up this way. I may use one of my APA boxes to house the layout, which will give a little bit more length. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 What do they call apa boxes these days? Or do they have a similar product that you know of? Ikeas website doesn't seem to recognise the term now :/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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