class37418stag Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Hello everyone BR class 31, 37, 47, 56, 58, 60 haul Empty steel train, load steel train, empty scrap train, load scrap train, empty ore iron train, load ore iron train I know most usually class 37, 56, 60 But class 31, 47, 58 haul load or empty train Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim H Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Certainly some 47s allocated to the metals sector in sectorisation days. 58s were concentrated on MGR coal traffic until the final years of BR when sub-sectors gave way to the 3 regional operators, when they started appearing on more varied trafiic. Don't know about 31s, but none of them ever carried Metals subsector livery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 In my 1991 combine there are a few 20s allocated to Railfreight Metals sector at Thornaby. Presumably they must have been used in pairs on steel or scrap trains for a time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
87023Velocity Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 31's did sometimes make it onto metals services around the North West area. There is a clip on youtube of a 31/4 heading a short steel coil service out of the loop at Warrington Bank Quay. 31's (aswell as class 20's) were also used on the scrap metals traffic up to Ashton in Makerfield, this service then returned to Warrington Arpley. Cheers Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 Here is an image that one never saw every day, two pairs of 20s on steel services passing each other - https://www.flickr.com/photos/semmytrailer/4785217329/in/photolist-sAh5Wj-8hRup4-ahuiXY-rgXERs-ryqCDd-fQeqB2-mAsBVe-e2H2pi-4uLfo7-gp4P5o-gp4Pay-cny7tC-d6Efcd-c94mvL-6BnKp1-4kZqD2-c7Tqty-d7cNQE This would appear to be a relatively rare working when trains were diverted off the WCML. Here is another shot - https://www.flickr.com/photos/semmytrailer/2294565498/in/photolist-sAh5Wj-8hRup4-ahuiXY-rgXERs-ryqCDd-fQeqB2-mAsBVe-e2H2pi-4uLfo7-gp4P5o-gp4Pay-cny7tC-d6Efcd-c94mvL-6BnKp1-4kZqD2-c7Tqty-d7cNQE/ This next one is a 31 on a steel train - https://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/12008807426/in/photolist-jibh4U-hSoYBu-qL4JL9-qK6ow9-dvzTtW-egqaQb-pg2SAj-rPZYxo-bdWqQR-fLhmLY-68pUri-pR82mR-hj5fQm-5M6UVK-efnQ3v-9yWA5t-dCALAR-pJQiCS-pJMdhP-aa3iqb-dvPePm-9v7z5W-7XyPoc-aPhtEc-bnppeu-jzAdDb-7uSFin-6MsjsV-bbAEBF-q6oBzF-ecSQAe-c25n6d-9rC7u9-911D8C-Lyi4C-9r8MRX-7uNgsC-aLPkcH-hj3Rgu-hQMzEe-nvDyWf-fsVN8z-i8AaTX-adELRY-byeygF-e8V82s-qshKry-4NGPv7-fuHUFt-9J95RY And finally, a 58 with steel coil/wire - https://www.flickr.com/photos/semmytrailer/3363942920/in/photolist-sAh5Wj-dSgsSF-68g62S-7i14gC-mAsBVe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class37418stag Posted May 29, 2015 Author Share Posted May 29, 2015 Here is an image that one never saw every day, two pairs of 20s on steel services passing each other - https://www.flickr.com/photos/semmytrailer/4785217329/in/photolist-sAh5Wj-8hRup4-ahuiXY-rgXERs-ryqCDd-fQeqB2-mAsBVe-e2H2pi-4uLfo7-gp4P5o-gp4Pay-cny7tC-d6Efcd-c94mvL-6BnKp1-4kZqD2-c7Tqty-d7cNQE This would appear to be a relatively rare working when trains were diverted off the WCML. Here is another shot - https://www.flickr.com/photos/semmytrailer/2294565498/in/photolist-sAh5Wj-8hRup4-ahuiXY-rgXERs-ryqCDd-fQeqB2-mAsBVe-e2H2pi-4uLfo7-gp4P5o-gp4Pay-cny7tC-d6Efcd-c94mvL-6BnKp1-4kZqD2-c7Tqty-d7cNQE/ This next one is a 31 on a steel train - https://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/12008807426/in/photolist-jibh4U-hSoYBu-qL4JL9-qK6ow9-dvzTtW-egqaQb-pg2SAj-rPZYxo-bdWqQR-fLhmLY-68pUri-pR82mR-hj5fQm-5M6UVK-efnQ3v-9yWA5t-dCALAR-pJQiCS-pJMdhP-aa3iqb-dvPePm-9v7z5W-7XyPoc-aPhtEc-bnppeu-jzAdDb-7uSFin-6MsjsV-bbAEBF-q6oBzF-ecSQAe-c25n6d-9rC7u9-911D8C-Lyi4C-9r8MRX-7uNgsC-aLPkcH-hj3Rgu-hQMzEe-nvDyWf-fsVN8z-i8AaTX-adELRY-byeygF-e8V82s-qshKry-4NGPv7-fuHUFt-9J95RY And finally, a 58 with steel coil/wire - https://www.flickr.com/photos/semmytrailer/3363942920/in/photolist-sAh5Wj-dSgsSF-68g62S-7i14gC-mAsBVe Thank you found photo of class 31, 58 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class37418stag Posted May 30, 2015 Author Share Posted May 30, 2015 (edited) Found twin class 31 haul steel train passed chesterfield station Edited May 30, 2015 by class37418stag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Back to the 1980s I would imagine you could find any class of loco hauling scrap at times. Here is a pair of 20s heading north at Chesterfield with scrap in 16t mins, 20188 and 20186 head through Chesterfield with scrap for Deepcar, 16/9/81 cheers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 My home town of Scunthorpe has the largest steelworks in the UK. I have seen classes 20 in pairs, 31, 37, 40, 45, 46, 47 and 56 on steel trains in this area, both finished products and scrap or ore, plus empties. Ore trains run from the ore terminal at Immingham and were two class 37's, then one class 56, now one class 66. VERY heavy train, wagons only ever 1/4 full. When ore came from the UK, it often came with two class 31's on it, and was worked in from the east via Wrawby Junction, since the western approach to the town, the so called Gun House bank, is fearsome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Border Reiver Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 (edited) Steel trains also ran with Class 40 and Class 50 haulage in the 1960s and 70s.... Edited May 31, 2015 by The Border Reiver 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 (edited) Excellent shots. Unfinished ingots in the second one. I've shots somewhere of double-headed class 87's at Carlisle with southbound steel flat coils.....10,000hp. Found it: Edited May 31, 2015 by JeffP 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted May 31, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 31, 2015 Love that straight-out-of-the-box cl.40! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumbleweed Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Double headed Class 31s hauling a long and heavy steel train in this excellent BTF Film https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t43udJ8IHDM&index=35&list=PLYOAUJoFdNEgJDtl6dVTWIFC1WdN2jjOK Enjoy! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeeleyBridge Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 So nice to see Sheffield as it was, not as it is now, half of what was in the film has gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Much of the metals traffic in South Wales was worked by classes 37, 47, and 56 in the early 1980s but other classes of loco also worked steel traffic as seen here Passing East Usk Junction heading west is 31304 with three wagons of coil loaded 'eye to sky', going in the other way are two light engines, on the up main 47283 is for the Severn Tunnel Junction direction, and 37162 is on the up relief going to Llanwern, 10/2/82 cheers 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class37418stag Posted May 31, 2015 Author Share Posted May 31, 2015 Much of the metals traffic in South Wales was worked by classes 37, 47, and 56 in the early 1980s but other classes of loco also worked steel traffic as seen here scan0178a.jpg Passing East Usk Junction heading west is 31304 with three wagons of coil loaded 'eye to sky', going in the other way are two light engines, on the up main 47283 is for the Severn Tunnel Junction direction, and 37162 is on the up relief going to Llanwern, 10/2/82 cheers Thanks find the photo of steel trainAnd please get more photo go on rmweb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6Y99 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Re the Immingham to Saton Ore trains. When the then new tippler wagons went onto the flow moving the imported ore pairs of 37s was used on the trains, In 1991/2 these gave way to single class 60s and the length of the trains raised from 21 to 24 tippler wagons in around 2010 66's started to be diagrammed on the ore trains but with the last 4 wagons empty! Class 56s have never been used on the trains they trial a 56 in around 1980 but the loco was out of gauge for the unloader at Santon and 3 56's have worked the empties back when incidents have occurred. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 You're right, of course, and I have loads of photos of 60's on that working. Sorry for the mistake. Not that our friend who started the topic seems remotely interested.......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray M Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I always like to see that Sheffield video. Just for the Tinsley shed section. Even more so, with a clayton on shed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Pretty amazing to visit now..........my youngest son works at the OUTO-KUMPU stainless plant over looking the yard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Re the Immingham to Saton Ore trains. When the then new tippler wagons went onto the flow moving the imported ore pairs of 37s was used on the trains, In 1991/2 these gave way to single class 60s and the length of the trains raised from 21 to 24 tippler wagons in around 2010 66's started to be diagrammed on the ore trains but with the last 4 wagons empty! Class 56s have never been used on the trains they trial a 56 in around 1980 but the loco was out of gauge for the unloader at Santon and 3 56's have worked the empties back when incidents have occurred. Why did they haul 4 wagons around empty? If the 66s weren't man enough for the full rake could they not have removed 4 wagons somewhere and left them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class37418stag Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share Posted June 2, 2015 Passed Sheffield Victoria station viaduct Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Why did they haul 4 wagons around empty? If the 66s weren't man enough for the full rake could they not have removed 4 wagons somewhere and left them? I would suspect that if they were short of a class 60 for one or two round trips it was easier to leave the set of 24 intact. The sets are formed of inner wagons with a rotary coupler at each end and two outer wagons each with normal drawgear at one end. So to reduce a set by four you have to cut them out of the middle of the set, not off the end. You then have four spare wagons stood without normal buffers at each end, which are difficult to move without an adapter wagon, until they are added back into the set. cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Much of the metals traffic in South Wales was worked by classes 37, 47, and 56 in the early 1980s but other classes of loco also worked steel traffic as seen here scan0178a.jpg Passing East Usk Junction heading west is 31304 with three wagons of coil loaded 'eye to sky', going in the other way are two light engines, on the up main 47283 is for the Severn Tunnel Junction direction, and 37162 is on the up relief going to Llanwern, 10/2/82 cheers Wow. I don't think I have ever seen a 31 on a steel train in S Wales before. Not that I can remember, anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Wow. I don't think I have ever seen a 31 on a steel train in S Wales before. Not that I can remember, anyway. I don't remember 31s on steel in South Wales much, I think is the only one I photograped. My notes don't say so but I can now guess it was coil for the BSC Tinplate Works at Ebbw Vale. I took this next photo, at the end of the film, later the same day, 37233 is held on the Up Relief at Llanwern West waiting acceptance into the BSC steel works 31304 passes by now heading east towards Severn Tunnel Junction with what may be the return working, 10/2/82 If they are VCAs they will be loaded with tinplate for Metal Box at Worcester or Wisbeach, with empty coil carriers on the rear. cheers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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