re-tooling the replica Class 45106 Peak

I was wondering if Bachmann had any plans on making the replica version of 45106 to the correct tooling and releasing it again. It would look good on any layout that covered the era that it worked in when on the mainline.

It would look good on any layout that covered the era that it worked in when on the mainline.

If you're insinuating it in Heritage Green....all 8 months (?) of it! although of course there's countless Replica 45106s running around on '1960s' layouts.....a personal pet hate?

Dave

I must be thick, but have no idea whether you refer to a Black 5 4-6-0, or a BR Sulzer Type 4 1Co-Co1. I'm afraid this new-fangled TOPS thing continues to confuse those of us of a certain age...

Sorry I should have said the Sulzer type 4 Peak! Yes it was the heritage green i was thinking of. It isn't that bad at all.

I have a memory of this as proposed limited edition from Model Rail magazine a year or so back, but it got dropped for some reason. Can anybody else verify this? I would have bought it given the opportunity.

Hi david12345,

I believe you are correct. Chris Leigh himself said on the old forum that they were cancelled:

Model Rail 'Peaks' 45106 and 45128 have, reluctantly, been cancelled.

CHRIS LEIGH

The exact reason is not clear but perhaps it was lack of nose tooling? Maybe Chris can advise...

EDIT: Chris had suggested it was tooling related, stating:

No boiler roof detail/no steps up the side.

CHRIS LEIGH

Hope that clears up who was going to do it.

Cheers,

Ixion.

Hi Ixion,

Thanks for that.

I take it from your name you're an aficionado of these machines.

David

Hi david 12345,

Thanks for the compliment but sadly, I'm no expert in the real things I do like all things RTC though However, I have been following who commissions what for many years. It's steadily got harder to keep track with all these specials. However, when 45106 & 45128 (oddly, the same two as Replica's pair) was originally mentioned by Model Rail, I did sit up and watch...

All I know is that as far as specials are concerned:

45048 'Royal Marines', BR blue, split headcodes, Modelzone

D55 'Royal Signals', weathered green, Southampton Model Centre (also, later with sound as a standard run)

97403 'Ixion' (!), RTC red/blue, Modelzone... though Rail Express seemed to be referenced in certain literature but I've never seen proof of it having happened (including Rail Exclusive's own website). Also, this is a 46, not a 45 .

TMC - used to produce a number of 45s, with nose seam I gather... possibly extra runs from the Modelzone/TMC tooling, but currently not showing on their website (sold out?). This might suggest that the tooling is there, potentially... I wonder whether, if TMC were approached (or Modelzone?), that they may be interested?

Cheers,

Ixion.

I approached TMC about the Peaks that were showing on their website. They did reply to me telling me that they were only doing them as long as they were available from Bachmann. When Bachmann sold out that was when they stopped doing them. When was the to replica models mentioned in which issue as i may have missed it!

Hi iankemp,

the Replica models were the ones they used to sell themselves and not specials for Model Rail. Reference to them is made in Ramsay's guide... though they also mention blue unnamed and completely unpainted versions were available too, though I never saw them. In that sense, Model Rail only ever mentioned Bachmann versions of 45106 (Tinsley green) and 45128 (BR blue)... I forget exactly when but it was at least 2 to 3 years ago. it just seemed odd to chose the exact same two as Replica, where there are plenty of other blue ones they could have chosen.

Cheers,

Ixion.

I don't think it was the Replica/mainline versions that TMC did to produced to do these run of peaks. I was told that it was the run of peaks that modelzone ordered from Bachmann that they used.

This is the reply i got when i asked them which model Peak they used when TMC did the run of Peaks.

"The TMC/Modelzone Class 45's were based on Modelzone's Bachmann limited

edition 'Royal Marines'. As far as I know it was the same tooling as the

Class 45 model 32-676 45114. So not the same tooling as the ones Bachmann do

now although to be fair it was years ago lol."

Ian

97403 'Ixion' (!), RTC red/blue, Modelzone... though Rail Express seemed to be referenced in certain literature but I've never seen proof of it having happened (including Rail Exclusive's own website). Also, this is a 46, not a 45 .

 

 

Cheers,

Ixion.

Hi Ixion,

97403 was soley a Modelzone model, Rail express were not involved. I have the said model on my layout and the box doesn't menton Rail Express.

I seen the advert in Model Rail magazine about November 2005 and I recieved it about October 2006 if my memory serves me right.

It is a nice model

Not sure I understand the purpose of this thread.

Would it not be easier to ask whether Bachmann are intending to release a model of Tinsley green 45106 ?

The old mainline shell was somewhat inaccurate, particularly around the cabs and noses. The new Bachmann shell is lots better and does look right. What the OP needs is for Bachmann to produce the ETH version of the new(er) shell, ie with replated boiler room roof

Hi david12345,

I'm glad you got a 97403 too - superb model! I've got one and yes, it was Modelzone. My reference to Rail Express was because of the reference in Ramsey's guide, which suggested it had been produced before Modelzone but to date, I have seen no evidence to support it went ahead.

Judging by pheaton and Enterprisingwestern's replies, it sounds like a number of changes would be needed. That said, I wonder if a new tooling altogether would be worth it (not just for 45106)? With modern tooling abilities, many of the variant may be possible, including (in my opinion) the more appealing nose seam type. Loads of Tinsley unofficial named locos to give a variety of specials... like a themeable yearly release, similar to the Hornby Commonwealth A4s. Class 97s too, working front headlights, 45112 (Fragonset)...

The question is, how many people would then buy them, given the large investment by a manufacturer? The alternative is to make a compromise and offer a green 45106 with the current tooling, despite some/many flaws. Personally, I think it might sell and would put my money where my mouth is...

Cheers,

Ixion.

P.S.: I saw many lines of 45s and 97s at Tinsley Open Day in the 1990s... a sad sight but even more sadly for me, I never got to see 45106 but still think it was possibly the most appealing, particularly with its link to the memory of the great Tinsley Traction Depot.

 

P.S.: I saw many lines of 45s and 97s at Tinsley Open Day in the 1990s... a sad sight but even more sadly for me, I never got to see 45106 but still think it was possibly the most appealing, particularly with its link to the memory of the great Tinsley Traction Depot.

I saw the ones at Toton as well! Such a sad sad sight indeed!

It is a shame that it would cost a fortune to restore it from when it had the fire. From the pictures i have seen it did look a sorry sight indeed!

Hi david12345,

 

I'm glad you got a 97403 too - superb model! I've got one and yes, it was Modelzone. My reference to Rail Express was because of the reference in Ramsey's guide, which suggested it had been produced before Modelzone but to date, I have seen no evidence to support it went ahead.

 

Judging by pheaton and Enterprisingwestern's replies, it sounds like a number of changes would be needed. That said, I wonder if a new tooling altogether would be worth it (not just for 45106)? With modern tooling abilities, many of the variant may be possible, including (in my opinion) the more appealing nose seam type. Loads of Tinsley unofficial named locos to give a variety of specials... like a themeable yearly release, similar to the Hornby Commonwealth A4s. Class 97s too, working front headlights, 45112 (Fragonset)...

 

The question is, how many people would then buy them, given the large investment by a manufacturer? The alternative is to make a compromise and offer a green 45106 with the current tooling, despite some/many flaws. Personally, I think it might sell and would put my money where my mouth is...

 

Cheers,

Ixion.

 

 

I would probably buy one too, but the lack of lights is now a noticeable problem as now most new locos and some carriages come with illumination.

Surely adding lights wouldn't be a huge issue.

They have done a 45/1 though! 45114, so could they not use the tooling from that but just convert the nose to marker lights and a high intensity light in the middle. The only other thing that would be needed would be the paint colour and the plates for the nose sides!