micklner Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 At a guess here http://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11367 No idea how he has saved anyone money at the moment, if you want the item when its actually for sale then do so . The photos are a e.p sample not the final version. Adrian if you read his posts, just keeps repeating the same argument/point of view, the same type of posts keep appearing on any new item , on here till banned, now on other forums . Why he doesn't simply just contacts the maker in this case Oxford with his concerns is the problem with all of his posts. IF they listen great , nothing on any forum is going to make the slightest difference if they don't want to listen. He also mentions they ignore him !! While I am here I wish him better health for the future. As to ABS temporally closing , I thought they already had when the website closed down !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Max Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 At a guess here http://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11367 No idea how he has saved anyone money at the moment, if you want the item when its actually for sale then do so . The photos are a e.p sample not the final version. Adrian if you read his posts, just keeps repeating the same argument/point of view, the same type of posts keep appearing on any new item , on here till banned, now on other forums . Why he doesn't simply just contacts the maker in this case Oxford with his concerns is the problem with all of his posts. IF they listen great , nothing on any forum is going to make the slightest difference if they don't want to listen. He also mentions they ignore him !! While I am here I wish him better health for the future. As to ABS temporally closing , I thought they already had when the website closed down !! Website? what website, I don't think there has been a website for many a long year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Was there a website? That's news to me. Thought ABS was dead against website / e-commerce? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted February 9, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 9, 2016 Adrian is a very knowledgeable man, and through his ranges supplies many kits and parts that are invaluable to modellers and for that I think he should be applauded, especially in these more 'RTR' times. However, he is a bit blunt when it comes to phrasing how he feels about things that are wrong, so those hearing his words do need to be suitably armoured. Despite that bluntness, he is often right when it comes to a detail error on an RTR item and, perhaps like all of us who have favourite locos, coaches, wagons, etc, gets particularly irked when it's of a prototype of specific interest to him, and that error could have been avoided relatively easily if only the researchers and designers slowed down a bit and checked and double-checked their work. Get well soon, Adrian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 He also mentions they ignore him !! Having seen several communications to varying manufacturers/commissioners I am not surprised in the least; very much along the lines of "You're stupid, I'm clever. I know what's wrong with your product but I'm not telling you" but in rarely less than 500 words. I hope he has a good recovery but it would be to the benefit of many if he chose to adopt more appropriate approaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Ah, I see he's still offending people by pointing out the flaws in RTR models. Who gets offended when anyone points out flaws in RTR models? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfsboy Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Who gets offended when anyone points out flaws in RTR models? I do . I can make my own mind up thank you .My general guide is if I want one ,it looks like an item and I can recognize it without looking on the box then its OK by me .The finer points often dont bother me too much ,lifes too short .All hail to those who demand ,commission ,or make perfect models .Thats their choice and if I could afford it probably mine too but unlikely for 100 quid Chinese plastic train . Martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Was there a website? That's news to me. Thought ABS was dead against website / e-commerce? There was something selling ABS and other ranges (Victorian era) at a guess 5 or more years ago. Never knew he attended shows before !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigw Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Who gets offended when anyone points out flaws in RTR models? People who appear to think that forums are for fawning and gushing, with little or no conversation on matters of history or accuracy. Accuracy is a thing rivet counters worry about , and well, everybody knows that a hobby should be fun and they cannot possibly have fun being concerned about things being right. Can they? Craig W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigw Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 There was something selling ABS and other ranges (Victorian era) at a guess 5 or more years ago. Never knew he attended shows before !! Keykits sold ABS, Wrightlines and IKB models until Kay Butler retired. I purchased quite a bit at the time, but typically not enough! Craig W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Who gets offended when anyone points out flaws in RTR models?It wasn't so much that ABS pointed out flaws; it's the way he did it over and over - and over, again & again. That's what truly winds people up. Then there was the denigrating of those who might be happy to accept whatever model it was, despite his "Public Service" - insulting those who are happy to accept something less than perfect, because they aren't so fussy or pernickety (an@l is the word I really want to use) - that tends to offend people. Then there's his particular gripe with Dapol that in his view, their O Scale wagons were depriving people like him of about £75,000 worth of business. When he was on Western Thunder Forum, be came in with all that - no introduction of himself, or background to his knowledge; just bang-bang-bang 19 out of his first 20 posts non-stop rants at Dapol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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