RMweb Gold Tony Teague Posted July 25, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 25, 2018 I have the 4mm Judith Edge kit for this little electric shunter and whilst I can locate some prototype pictures I can't find ANY that show any markings, nor any indication of livery other than general filth! I model the SR pre-nationalisation period so any help on livery and markings would be appreciated. Tony 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted July 25, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 25, 2018 I've asked everyone who remembers seeing this loco and nobody has any recollection of any colour or markings on it. I can't find any photos of it taken between about 1915 and the early 1940s either. The other departmental electric DS75 was painted BR malachite green with the early crest though. DS74 is a very intriguing loco, I would like to find out what it was really built for - certainly not for anything it was ever used for. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Teague Posted August 3, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 3, 2018 I've asked everyone who remembers seeing this loco and nobody has any recollection of any colour or markings on it. I can't find any photos of it taken between about 1915 and the early 1940s either. The other departmental electric DS75 was painted BR malachite green with the early crest though. DS74 is a very intriguing loco, I would like to find out what it was really built for - certainly not for anything it was ever used for. Mike Thanks for responding. Your kits is being built for me as this is not a skill that I personally possess! The builder has posed a question to me that I can't answer and I wonder whether you can help? It relates to the "resistance box" on no.1 end of the loco, directly in front of the cab, where there is a framework, together with a horizontal shelf, and a sloping top - the instructions indicate that the resistances should be 'glued to the shelf before adding the cover'. However, he is not clear as to whether the resistances should go flat (horizontally) onto the shelf, or stand up vertically against the front of the cab, but still resting on the shelf. I suspect horizontally, but I am not sure and I am not looking at the kit - can you assist by clarifying? Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted August 3, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 3, 2018 The resistances are fitted horizontally, I don't have any photos I can post here but I'll PM some to you. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Teague Posted August 3, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 3, 2018 Many thanks! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
decauville1126 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 According to John Gilham's seminal work on the Waterloo & City, published by Oakwood Press, it was intended to be able to rescue a stranded train as well as helping out it's smaller 4-wheel electric mate - later to become DS75 - with the transfer of the coal wagons from the Armstrong lift to the hoist for the power station boilers alongside the depot sidings. The power station later closed which probably made having two electric locos an unwarranted luxury. But as it was hardly ever used thus it was transferred to Durnsford Road to propel the coal wagons up the ramp into the power station there, for which it received conventional outside-third rail shoegear as the W&C was centre conductor rail at the time. In the late 1950's/early 60's when I was at school in the area we would watch it thus perform but never noticed what colour - if any - it was. Every pic I've seen shows it looking grubby and dirty. However we were more taken with an endless succession of Bulleid pacifics and other kettles. But it begs the question as to whether it ever travelled elsewhere for repair, bearing in mind it was a unique machine with armatures directly on the axles. There are lots of images out there in internetland if you do a bit of digging. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted August 4, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 4, 2018 Plenty of pictures from the 1940s onwards but nothing before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Teague Posted August 5, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 5, 2018 Thanks for all of your contributions. The model is now in the paint shop and so it will be what it will be! Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris45lsw Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 Thanks for all of your contributions. The model is now in the paint shop and so it will be what it will be! Tony In his article in the March 1959 MRC, Peter Winding said "......it bore no outward evidence of its identity. Nor did its plain dusty green livery......" and later "......under SR ownership it was officially designated 74s in the service stock list and, therefore, became DS74 under BR. Yet the fact remains that for some strange reason this loco does not carry any number, nor any mark of identification." According to Peter the staff called it 'Tin Lizzie'. Chris KT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Teague Posted August 5, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 5, 2018 In his article in the March 1959 MRC, Peter Winding said "......it bore no outward evidence of its identity. Nor did its plain dusty green livery......" and later "......under SR ownership it was officially designated 74s in the service stock list and, therefore, became DS74 under BR. Yet the fact remains that for some strange reason this loco does not carry any number, nor any mark of identification." According to Peter the staff called it 'Tin Lizzie'. Chris KT Chris Thanks - that is a very interesting quote. Luckily I have told Chris Phillips who is building this, that I'd like it in a dirty sage green - rather like my model of DS1169 - and I will then weather it, so in the end it may be quite a reasonable representation. Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted August 5, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 5, 2018 "dusty green" sounds about right to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Teague Posted August 16, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 16, 2018 Just to report that the loco has now arrived: It will get weathered in due course! Thanks to everyone for their contributions. Further info and pics on my main thread as below. Tony 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted August 17, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 17, 2018 Is that tube on the LHS where the key goes? Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivegreen Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) Is that tube on the LHS where the key goes? Mike. Interesting: was it a Drummond design originally, like the T14, which could explain the keyhole? Coat, hat etc. Edited August 17, 2018 by olivegreen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Is that tube on the LHS where the key goes? Mike. Of course! They had to have a way of getting it back on the juice when it ran off the third rail, so a small clockwork mechanism was installed. The only drawback was the key was so heavy, it took three men to lift and insert it. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted August 17, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 17, 2018 That looks very good to me, I think the "keyhole" was actually for a traction motor blower though. Some sources suggest it was running with only one bogie powered in its later days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Oh that's nice. It's a shame that it wasn't preserved. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 It is a very nice model. I forgot to say that earlier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Reviving an old thread: Does anyone know if this kit is still available? Thanks in advance, Kevin 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted January 25, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 25, 2020 Currently out of stock, more expected in the next week or so. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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