Pete the Elaner Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 I saw a youtube video the other day & it featured an ex-LMS 7F (G2A) in 1964 still carrying LMS on its tender. I would like to model it, but the video was not good enough to identify it. Does anyone have any deatils of example? I am modelling Bedford c1960 & wondered what other classes (or even examples) I could realistically depict. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 (edited) Not saying it is this one, but the markings on the tender of 49430 here are in three parts: https://railphotoprints.uk/p784251097/h1579D5B5#hb4cef2e but not distinctly letters. Were the letters distinct in the video? I wonder if the letters were just chalked on. I've seen various things chalked on steam engines and tenders. Edited April 26, 2020 by pH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted April 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 26, 2020 (edited) 42942 got a bit of over enthusiastic cleaning, rubbing through its BR logo and revealing its LMS letters in 1967... https://www.anistr.com/media/1e073bb7-933a-450d-b9f3-7298e6795b09-steam-loco-crab-42942-goole on a tangent Horwich LYR 0-6-0’s ran around with BR logo, but LMS numbers... 11305 was one example, not to carry 51305.. but the cab side numbers were BR style.. https://railphotoprints.uk/p730306914/h88456AEB#h88456aeb Edited April 26, 2020 by adb968008 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 7 hours ago, adb968008 said: On a tangent Horwich LYR 0-6-0’s ran around with BR logo, but LMS numbers... 11305 was one example, not to carry 51305.. but the cab side numbers were BR style.. https://railphotoprints.uk/p730306914/h88456AEB#h88456aeb One of the works shunters? Several Barton Wright 0-6-0STs were retained following nominal withdrawal for internal use in the works. They were not as such BR service stock so didn't fall into the renumbering system, but retained their ex-LMS numbers to eventual and actually final withdrawal. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share Posted April 27, 2020 8 hours ago, pH said: Not saying it is this one, but the markings on the tender of 49430 here are in three parts: https://railphotoprints.uk/p784251097/h1579D5B5#hb4cef2e but not distinctly letters. Were the letters distinct in the video? I wonder if the letters were just chalked on. I've seen various things chalked on steam engines and tenders. Yes they were. I was very surprised. You would think they would be completely obscured with dirt by that time, but apparently not. It appears just after 32.35. It amuses me that the narrator says it was over 25 years after nationalisation. That would make it the 70s! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shed Driver Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Interesting, The loco also has the electrification flashes on it and LMS ! Norman 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted April 27, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 27, 2020 There was a Johnson 2F at Monument Lane around 1960 on which at certain angles the old number on the cabside and LMS on the tender were clearly visible. I'm sure a rag full of smokebox clag would have taken the paint back quite easily to show them up all of the time. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted April 27, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 27, 2020 11 hours ago, adb968008 said: 42942 got a bit of over enthusiastic cleaning, rubbing through its BR logo and revealing its LMS letters in 1967... https://www.anistr.com/media/1e073bb7-933a-450d-b9f3-7298e6795b09-steam-loco-crab-42942-goole on a tangent Horwich LYR 0-6-0’s ran around with BR logo, but LMS numbers... 11305 was one example, not to carry 51305.. but the cab side numbers were BR style.. https://railphotoprints.uk/p730306914/h88456AEB#h88456aeb The photo caption suggests that the L&Y number was carried throughout it's life, but obviously the 11305 was it's LMS number. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fezza Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Interesting - we also se this with GWR reappearing. Was it the case that staff were deliberately removing new paint to reveal old identities? Was this tolerated/encouraged by some shedmasters? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim.snowdon Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 14 hours ago, pH said: Not saying it is this one, but the markings on the tender of 49430 here are in three parts: https://railphotoprints.uk/p784251097/h1579D5B5#hb4cef2e but not distinctly letters. Were the letters distinct in the video? I wonder if the letters were just chalked on. I've seen various things chalked on steam engines and tenders. It was common to find tenders (and locos) where the letters had simply been painted over, and nothing else done. The presence of the yellow cab stripes definitely dates the photograph, but the surprise is that a tender should have survived for 15 years without having gone through works at some point. Jim 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted April 27, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 27, 2020 Another picture of the LMS tender on 42942 here, with a Blue & Grey mark 2... seems ELR wasnt the first time this combination was created after all. (images are from flickr) Though given how “clean” this is I doubted it lasted very long. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 I think that was the loco that was used in a Yorkshire to Lancashire coast tour in the mid-1960s. The last L&Y engine to go the full width of the L&Y system Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 (edited) The Super D is probably 48895: https://www.flickr.com/photos/taffytank/45166879885 See the discussion in the comments about whether the "LMS" is painted or chalk. (Edit to add- 48895 was allocated to Bushbury, where that part of the video was shot, from 1962 to late 1964. It was then transferred to Bescot and withdrawn from there a couple of months later along with the other last three members of the class.) Edited April 27, 2020 by pH 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted April 27, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 27, 2020 19 hours ago, pH said: Not saying it is this one, but the markings on the tender of 49430 here are in three parts: https://railphotoprints.uk/p784251097/h1579D5B5#hb4cef2e but not distinctly letters. Were the letters distinct in the video? I wonder if the letters were just chalked on. I've seen various things chalked on steam engines and tenders. The caption says this was 3/63 but it didn't have cabstripe or LMS visible on photos taken 27/10/63 or 26/5/64. The yellow stripe didn't come in until the summer of 1964. When it took part in the SLS Farewell to LNWR Locomotives railtour on 12/12/64 it had been well cleaned and had the cab stripe. No tender emblem is visible but there is a slight difference in shading of the paint where the LMS would have been. All in all I would say that the picture was taken late in 1964 just before the SLS tour and was the result of being cleaned with a Brillo Pad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted April 27, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, pH said: The Super D is probably 48895: https://www.flickr.com/photos/taffytank/45166879885 See the discussion in the comments about whether the "LMS" is painted or chalk. Definitely chalk, there is a BR early emblem showing under the M. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim.snowdon Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 1 hour ago, TheSignalEngineer said: Definitely chalk, there is a BR early emblem showing under the M. Further given away by the less than crisp signwriting - the L is slightly larger than the M and not exactly neat and square. Jim 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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