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Hi All

 

My wife has begun to show more interest in model railways, and as such, I have agreed to place a horse stable in the corner of the layout. while trolling Ebay, she's come across various horseboxes, but all are big-4 to early BR... nothing that I would think would have been found on the rail network in the 1980's.

 

So my question would be... when did horse-by-rail stop... and if it was in the 80's (or even late 70's), does anyone make an RTR or kit for this stock?

 

Thanks in advance!

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In a word: no. I wouldn't like to say exactly when it finished, but my feeling is late '60s and even then, it was a traffic which would have been in decline for quite some time. Just about the only remotely horse-related traffic after 1970 would have been race-day specials.

 

Adam

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It's your railway!

 

If SWMBO wants horseboxes, then run horseboxes. You can always hide them if anyone critical puts in an appearance. :D

 

Seriously, I doubt that any made it to be airbraked, at least as horseboxes.

 

R-T-R there's the HD/Wrenn BR vehicle. These are usually found with the doors missing, but these are available as spares. (Avoid the mint boxed examples complete with horse if you want to run them.)

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I wouldn't like to say exactly when it finished, but my feeling is late '60s and even then, it was a traffic which would have been in decline for quite some time.

 

 

Same here, it *might* just have scraped into the 70s but only just. Based on what I remember reading, I'd suspect the last were probably not the traditional 'casual' usage but occasional organised trains such as for circuses or the military.

 

 

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Not everything on your layout has to run on rails. Why not model the stable with even the remains of the rail served infrastructure and space for a long gone siding. A couple of corgi ford cargo's converted to horse boxes and bobs your unc!

 

Hth

 

Jim

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Same here, it *might* just have scraped into the 70s but only just.

 

Just checked the 1972 RCTS coaching stock book, they dont appear in that so they must have gone by late '71 at the latest. There are however two special cattle vans, which ISTR have come up in discussion before.

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If anyone overly critical comes to see your layout and they query the horsebox, tell them it is one of the conversions into a steam boiler training vehicle, or one of the other uses a couple were put to!

 

If fotopic was working I would direct you to some photographs!

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I believe it was the law at one time that all horseboxes had to be Bedford TKs, just as all ice cream vans had to be CFs.

 

 

 

 

 

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The TK pre-dates the Cargo, by quite some way, of course ;) .... In fact as the Cargo was introduced in 1981, a '70s layout would have the TK, or maybe the Ford 'D'-series, the TK's real competitor. ;)

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Billy Smarts Circus stopped it's tenting tours at the end of 1971.

One of the major reasons for this was that British Rail were increasing the prices they charged the circus for transporting it's 13 elephants, 50 horses, ponies, zebras and llamas.

 

I know they used SR parcel vans with strengthed floors for the elephants. Wether this type of vehicle was used for the other animals i am not sure.

 

Paul

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I'm trying to imagine the Hornby-Dublo/Wrenn Mk. 1 horse box in rail-blue/grey livery.

 

 

If they had survived, they'd have been plain blue

 

In fact as the Cargo was introduced in 1981, a '70s layout would have the TK, or maybe the Ford 'D'-series, the TK's real competitor. ;)

 

Yeah, 'twas just a wry comment on the almost overwhelming prevalence of the Bedfords at the time

 

 

I know they used SR parcel vans with strengthed floors for the elephants.

 

'How d'you get four elephants in a Cortina?'

 

'One through each door, of course'

 

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One of the major reasons for this was that British Rail were increasing the prices they charged the circus for transporting it's 13 elephants, 50 horses, ponies, zebras and llamas.

 

I know they used SR parcel vans with strengthed floors for the elephants

 

well, parcel post, it's charged by weight isn't it?

a helluva lot of stamps and i'd like to see the postie deliver them in his van! :lol:

 

a link to mike's railway history pages, contemporary accounts of stuff up until 1935: special loads

 

http://mikes.railhistory.railfan.net/r080.html

 

quote: "For the farm horses the usual "horse-box" is used, and great care has to be taken in conveying these animals to their new homes. But the removal of domesticated animals, a difficult enough task in itself, fades into comparative insignificance when the railway is called upon to transport a party of 70 lions, which once happened on the Southern Railway. The 70 animals occupied 15 cages, each weighing about 5 tons, and waited in the hold of a ship at Newhaven for the railway to convey them to the circus at Olympia.

The cages from the ship's hold swung ominously in mid-air before coming to rest on the flat wagons, and caused the railwaymen considerable anxiety. Once, however, the cages had been successfully lowered to the trucks the subsequent journey passed off smoothly enough.

The Great Western Railway once tackled a similar proposition when it undertook to transport an entire menagerie, comprising tigers, leopards, lions, bears, monkeys and elephants. The whole consignment was taken to its destination in sixteen "crocodiles"—"crocodile" is the telegraphic codeword for a type of long, low well-truck—two "pythons"—covered carriage trucks ; and two "scorpions"—open carriage trucks."

 

pic of the lions' train is towards the bottom of the page. love the description 'bad tempered from a sea-voyage' :blink: :lol:

 

sorry for the diversion :D

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There are still many stables and pastures next to active railway lines. So a stable in the corner of a post-privatization layout is not out of place. However the residents will not be travelling by train.

 

In the pre-grouping era horse traffic was an every day load for the railways. There was a poster in the London Transport Museum in Covent Garden from the Metropolitan Railway offering special fares for "Hunting Gentlemen" and their mounts for a day's hunting in Buckinghamshire. Several books I have on different branch lines in southern England describe the horse traffic.

 

I remember, as a teenager in the late 1950s, climbing into an empty horsebox in the up bay platform at Basingstoke, which had been in use. There's also a picture in a book I have of the Winchester B4 shunter attaching or detaching a horsebox from a Western Region DMU in the down platform sometime in the early 1960s.

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The TK pre-dates the Cargo, by quite some way, of course ;) .... In fact as the Cargo was introduced in 1981, a '70s layout would have the TK, or maybe the Ford 'D'-series, the TK's real competitor. ;)

 

Indeed but topic title is horse traffic in the 80's. ;)

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Indeed but topic title is horse traffic in the 80's. ;)

Yes I appreciate that Jim... Pennine & I just went a teeny bit OT (and I did get it that his was a 'wry comment' ;) ) as the fact emerged that there was no horse traffic in the 80's... :rolleyes: :P :D

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Yes, we really must get a griplaugh.gif

 

 

Please don't.

One of the things that I like about RMweb is the way that topics ramble OT. In particular when they throw up interesting information that would never come out otherwise.

I have never seen a photo of an horse box in use in post steam days.

Bernard

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