mattog Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 (edited) There were murmurs of a commission a couple of years ago but that seems to have gone dead. What with Hattons, Rails, Kernows and others commissioning their own models, do you think any of them will ever see it in their hearts to do this somewhat obscure but none-the-less significant part of British railway history? Anyone? Edited October 13, 2011 by Mod6 Photo removed - copyright Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 I hope not - no offence - because if this sees the light of day then The Fell stands a chance. And at that point I lose the will to live. 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted October 13, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2011 Golden Arrow ....... http://www.semgonline.com/model/gapldr-kit.html Ha! beat you to it Graham, serves you right for playing astonauts 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattog Posted October 13, 2011 Author Share Posted October 13, 2011 Golden Arrow ....... http://www.semgonlin...gapldr-kit.html Ha! beat you to it Graham, serves you right for playing astonauts Okay, let me rephrase that, will anyone ever do a RTR commission with Heljan, Dapol or Bachmann? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
10800 Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 I think the biggest problem with an RTR Leader is that the original never ran in revenue service, unlike the other prototypes and early developments which have been/are being produced - including of course the Bulleid diesels. So there's little in the way of 'public memory' of them. Even 10800 and the Fell had some runs in real traffic. And outside our little world, and even sometimes inside it, it's not well known about. On more than one occasion I've heard viewers question the strange loco on Muz's Fisherton Sarum - "what's that?" Having said that, nothing would surprise me. People can commission what they want. Would I buy one if it was available? Probably, yes ... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattog Posted October 13, 2011 Author Share Posted October 13, 2011 I hope not - no offence - because if this sees the light of day then The Fell stands a chance. And at that point I lose the will to live. I'm with you with regards to the Fell but surely you're not lumping the Leader in with that ugly monster? I understand some Bullied's can be an acquired taste i.e: the Q1 but surely you agree the Leader has it charms? In fact, it's not far off a class 59/66 which I regard as one of the more interesting modern locomotives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted October 13, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2011 Okay, let me rephrase that, will anyone ever do a RTR commission with Heljan, Dapol or Bachmann? Point taken, although Chris at Golden Arrow does offer this loco as RTR - £295 according to his website - Not a Hattons/Rails/Olivias commission granted 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 (edited) I'm with you with regards to the Fell but surely you're not lumping the Leader in with that ugly monster? I understand some Bullied's can be an acquired taste i.e: the Q1 but surely you agree the Leader has it charms? In fact, it's not far off a class 59/66 which I regard as one of the more interesting modern locomotives. Indeed I am not lumping it in with that ugly monster. I'm glad someone else got off the fence and that epithet off their chest! Leader like the Q1 does indeed have a certain charm. However, I fear you may be in a minority where the 66 is regarded as one of the more interesting modern locomotives - depending how we're defining interesting, of course! Meanwhile, here's something that makes me go wrong: Copyright Ben Brooksbank, used in accordance with the following CC license http://creativecommo...nses/by-sa/2.0/ Is it pretty? Of course it isn't, it's ungainly and preposterous, the love child of miscegenation between Mervyn Peake and William S. Burroughs. (interbreeding involving C.M.E.s of different species, especially in historical contexts as a transgression of the law) Edited October 13, 2011 by 'CHARD 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 The great irony if one were to be commissioned, would be that since it could take a now standard centre motor all axles drive it would quite likely be the best performing RTR OO steam model... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted October 13, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2011 Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Quod Erat Demonstrandum! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Plastic ready to run mass-produced 'Leader'? Dream on sunshines..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 13, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2011 I'm with you with regards to the Fell but surely you're not lumping the Leader in with that ugly monster? I understand some Bullied's can be an acquired taste i.e: the Q1 but surely you agree the Leader has it charms? In fact, it's not far off a class 59/66 which I regard as one of the more interesting modern locomotives. One of the Leader's lesser charms was the fact that it didn't work well enough to ever enter service, hardly an encouraging sign for a broader market than that currently met by Golden Arrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted October 13, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2011 Of course all this chat has lead me to start mentally adding up the costs of the kit, wheels, motor, gears ......... It did run trials in the Nottinghamshire coal fields didn't it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 13, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2011 Of course all this chat has lead me to start mentally adding up the costs of the kit, wheels, motor, gears ......... It did run trials in the Nottinghamshire coal fields didn't it .... only until it got turfed off 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Dapol were approached by Locomotion Models to place a commissioned order, but I believe it did not attract enough orders or expressions of interest. Locomotion do have a website and perhaps you should be contacting them to see what the current situation is. A Fell would also be very interesting, at least it saw service, unlike the Leader Class, but with all these more unusual types, it is governed entirely by demand. Stephen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
10800 Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 .... only until it got turfed off Oh for peat's sake ... 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattog Posted October 13, 2011 Author Share Posted October 13, 2011 One of the Leader's lesser charms was the fact that it didn't work well enough to ever enter service, hardly an encouraging sign for a broader market than that currently met by Golden Arrow. Then perhaps it could be a stationary model or supplied in bits as was its fate for much of its life. A DCC controlled burning fireman might be a nice touch too. As a side note, does anyone know what became of the shed plates and other bits? Same place those of the Blue Pullman went? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 In a dungeon somewhere near Wirksworth, a fellow in a blacksmith's apron and gasmask is attempting to regrow The Fell from a length of its perished windscreen grommet. I fear this to be a fact. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted October 13, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2011 In a dungeon somewhere near Wirksworth, a fellow in a blacksmith's apron and gasmask is attempting to regrow The Fell from a length of its perished windscreen grommet. I fear this to be a fact. Ooh - I'm at Wirksworth at the weekend with Summat Colliery, I'll see how he's getting on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 I'd counsel against it. Now, in the same way that I use cloves of garlic to ward off fans of Drum & Bass, here's a little (crosses fingers) Fell antidote with about as much chance as Leader of appearing RTR: (Wikipedia Creative Commons license applies) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 there are some of us that would want locos like these, if money were no option i would have a fully working o gauge Leader or an LMS turbomotive Princess 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 No, no, no, no, Sir Douglas. Such frothing and wish-listing does not become invisible just because it relates to these monsters. Good gracious, you're risking getting this thread locked. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Hale Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 The depressing truth is that so many more worthy prototypes are ignored in favour of singletons. How many more of these will receive frothing support whilst 2-Bils, Stanier Moguls, J15's will never feature in anyone's RTR list? Tim 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Easy! Because such things were common, they were taken for granted - fact of human nature! Whereas things like Leader, Fell, Kestrel, Deltic etc, etc by virtue of being unique, rare and unusual, well they tend to garner a certain mystique all of their own and subsequently people grow fond of them and desire a model. OR, of course - in the case of the truly ugly - well we can pray they never appear! John E. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 As an aside, a chap I used to know once scratch-built an 0 scale model of 'Leader' and a fine looking thing it was! Apparently he had worked on the real thing. Anyway, at a local exhibition, 'Leader' was parked up on a siding and a 'spotty yoof' was looking at it and remarked "Oh look - a class 36 diesel"!!! A nearby club member tried in vane to correct him but the kid went away muttering about the diesel 36001 - wonderful! Cheers, John E. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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