Horsetan Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 But is Hell endothermic or exothermic? Does it matter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 If Leader had survived would that number plate with a curly six have been replaced by one with a straight six? Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Does it matter? http://www.snopes.com/college/exam/hell.asp I'd imagine that the fireman's compartment on the Leader was definitely a bit like Hell for the poor fireman. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 But is Hell endothermic or exothermic? Does it matter? http://www.snopes.co...e/exam/hell.asp I'd imagine that the fireman's compartment on the Leader was definitely a bit like Hell for the poor fireman. As an entity, the Bulleid Leader was most certainly exothermic, though of course one could argue that the pistons/motion were endothermic. As to hell, I'll leave that to the philosophers. Augustine of Hippo perhaps? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Belgian Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 If Leader had survived would that number plate with a curly six have been replaced by one with a straight six? Bernard Probably a V8! JE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Having just viewed "Like a bus but bigger" my mind turns to Leader appearing in that film. Where is the engine daddy? Where does the driver sit daddy? Daddy would have some explaining to do. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasslands Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 (edited) Loconotion have a new comment on the Leader Project website. Simply stating: 'PLEASE NOTE THAT I AM TRYING TO CONTACT THE ACTUAL PERSONS WHO WERE SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING ON THIS ON MY BEHALF. I HAVE NO MORE INFORMATION AVAILABLE' http://www.loconotion.co.uk/page3.php It seems that climatic conditions in hell are stable for the forseable future. Edited September 22, 2012 by Grasslands 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 It's a bit concerning that they still use the Dapol logo as implied endorsement of the project on the page. The announcement was in Hornby mag's January 2009 issue so I make it 3 years and 10 months since it was announced. We know that absolutely nothing has been done beyond preliminary budget costings from a manufacturer which will have substantially changed over the intervening years anyway. It only took Bullied 3 years to design and build the real thing which had a couple of years service. Even if the project was resuscitated today it's unlikely the gestation of the model would better the rise and fall of the real thing. The website quotes: Recently we have also decided to start commissioning models from major manufacturers as many will be aware we are in the process of commissioning a OO Gauge model of the Bullied Leader and hope this will be the first of many new models. A NEW WEBSITE REGARDING THIS IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. As this is posted after comments relating to the new shop opening in July 2012 they seem to be giving an appearance of punching above their weight and I'd be very wary of someone with a track record of closure/relocation and reference to issues seeking to obtain part-payment (on account) in advance of delivery: As soon as sufficient orders are achieved we will ask for payment to be made to an account, details of which will be sent to you, and as soon as your money is recieved, a receipt will be sent to you.When we ask for your money, we will also require you to choose the livery you wish for your model, and whether or not you wish it to be weathered for a small extra charge. I'd certainly steer clear. In their own words: Loconotion Models is a small family run model shop, and as such is in no position to finance such a model in advance. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Alternative leadership. Heljan, who are the reigning niche/prototype/small class champions in RTR OO, are underway on their first UK steam subject - and it's an articulated type. Given their track record of exhaustively working their way through genres, that means they are likely to produce all the other UK steam articulated classes. So once the mighty U1 and Sturrock steam tender 0-6-0s are dealt with, that only leaves.... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Caveat emptor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 So once the mighty U1 and Sturrock steam tender 0-6-0s are dealt with, that only leaves.... about 20 years before a Heljan Leader surfaces. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 about 20 years before a Heljan Leader surfaces. Certainly before we see any Eastern Region EMU's...................... Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Blimey, insomniac in NY? Surely not, the Clacton express units are far too good looking to be ignored much longer, lots of mk1 bodyshellness about them, which a certain mfr has already well exploited for a slidey rail type. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 True, it may help if we tell them that they had "Southern" written on the side. Ducks and runs for cover..... Best, Pete. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Loconotion Models is a small family run model shop, and as such is in no position to finance such a model in advance. I'm not sure if they've fully grasped how capitalism works. They should put up enough of their own cash to at least get the project off the ground and have something to show to potential purchasers. At the moment it sounds like they've had a 10 minute phone call with somebody at Dapol about how much the model might cost and then fired off a press releases. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 They want all the glory with non of the risk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I've just got out of bed to see what appears to be a large porcine shape cruising past at an estimated altitude of 2000ft... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dun aucht Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Just caught this thread. Don't know about Bulleid's Leader, but Tony Miles had a model of his C.I.E. Turf Burner on Adavoyle. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudititanic Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Coming to this very late, but I recently released a kit in N Gauge for Leader, plus a commission one in O Gauge... https://www.shapeways.com/shops/newman-miniatures There is also a little bit of video of it in action on my youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1i2FWlH_8Ptf43COup_fKQ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted April 12, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 12, 2019 On 22/09/2012 at 12:59, pete_mcfarlane said: I'm not sure if they've fully grasped how capitalism works. They should put up enough of their own cash to at least get the project off the ground and have something to show to potential purchasers. At the moment it sounds like they've had a 10 minute phone call with somebody at Dapol about how much the model might cost and then fired off a press releases. Maybe they had a TARDIS and got a glimpse of how companies would make models in the future....... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Its something that I have sort of on the back (or turf) burner for my shapeways shop. Was hoping to pick up a Bachmann 66 to use the chassis to use it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 6 hours ago, Edge said: Its something that I have sort of on the back (or turf) burner for my shapeways shop. Was hoping to pick up a Bachmann 66 to use the chassis to use it This of course is the great potential irony of the Leader in model form: with a modern centre motor drive it would almost certainly have better haulage capacity and performance refinement than any RTR OO steam model. If you could find suitable 20mm diameter BFB wheelsets to fit to the bogies, the mechanism would still fit, after bevelling the top of the chassis block casting's sides to match the profile of the Leader's roof. And then you could use it on a 40 coach ACE with a 100mph end to end schedule (and never mind it would have been out of coal and water within an hour's running). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudititanic Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 6 hours ago, 34theletterbetweenB&D said: This of course is the great potential irony of the Leader in model form: with a modern centre motor drive it would almost certainly have better haulage capacity and performance refinement than any RTR OO steam model. If you could find suitable 20mm diameter BFB wheelsets to fit to the bogies, the mechanism would still fit, after bevelling the top of the chassis block casting's sides to match the profile of the Leader's roof. And then you could use it on a 40 coach ACE with a 100mph end to end schedule (and never mind it would have been out of coal and water within an hour's running). Certainly true of my N gauge version - 14 coaches quite happily. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonestTom Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 On 13/10/2011 at 14:40, Tim Hale said: The depressing truth is that so many more worthy prototypes are ignored in favour of singletons. How many more of these will receive frothing support whilst 2-Bils, Stanier Moguls, J15's will never feature in anyone's RTR list? Tim Hmmm... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastglosmog Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 I think its time some literary reality invaded this thread. If you read Dante's Inferno, Canto's 22 to 24, you will find that Hell has already frozen over! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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