Satan's Goldfish Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Back when i was at high school I had a plan of Norwich Thorpe Station copied from a map that must have been about 1:2,500 scale showing the track layout at some point between the 1986 re-signalling and the 199X Riverside developement. I don't know what happened to that map, but i don't have it anymore. I've tried looking on 'old-maps' for a copy of it but with no luck. Does anyone know where i might be able to find recent (1980 - 2000) 1:2,500 maps of Norwich thorpe and Crown Point covering pre and post re-signalling? Ta Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I don't think i can help with the plan, but i will have a look. This is the signalbox diagram.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pwayowen/8294352350/in/photostream 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted January 11, 2013 Author Share Posted January 11, 2013 Thanks for that, lots of signal boxes in that one 'small' space. I really should have paid more attention to the area when i was a child, it's definately not as fun anymore! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted January 11, 2013 Author Share Posted January 11, 2013 I forgot to add before anyone suggests it, I've seen Middleton Press books that cover Norwich but they don't go into fine close detail for the area. I may need/be advised to start a new thread, but can anyone tell me what wagon code the BOC tanker in this picture is please? And if anyone's already made it in OO? (I've not stumbled over one yet though) http://www.phantasrail.co.uk/MarkB/45%20departs%20Norwichv.jpg Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted January 11, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 11, 2013 I forgot to add before anyone suggests it, I've seen Middleton Press books that cover Norwich but they don't go into fine close detail for the area. I may need/be advised to start a new thread, but can anyone tell me what wagon code the BOC tanker in this picture is please? And if anyone's already made it in OO? (I've not stumbled over one yet though) http://www.phantasrail.co.uk/MarkB/45%20departs%20Norwichv.jpg Thanks It is one of these http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/boctank/h3b39928b#h3b39928b and no, they are not available RTR, I know this 'cos I need some too... Andi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted January 11, 2013 Author Share Posted January 11, 2013 It is one of these http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/boctank/h3b39928b#h3b39928b and no, they are not available RTR, I know this 'cos I need some too... Andi Fantastic, thanks for that. Looks like it has TEA written on the side so that looks like a good start point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 "TEA" tanks - or an approximation thereof - is made by Bachmann http://www.thesignalbox.co.uk/100t-tea-tank-wagon-bp-grey.html and Hornby http://www.ehattons.com/23118/Hornby_R6391_Caib_100_ton_tank_wagon_TEA_K_VTG82781_heavily_weathered_/StockDetail.aspx, and may indeed be a good starting point for a conversion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Martin Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Bear in mind that TOPS codes - the ones painted on the wagons, at least - weren't supposed to do anything more than identify the vehicle in very general, operational terms. The "TEA" code applies to any bogie tank wagon with a gross laden weight over 100 tonnes and air brakes. There was a range of wagons that could carry that code and differences in the density of the load for which they were designed could result in substantial differences in size. There were a couple of types of sulphuric acid tanks, for instance, that were coded TEA but were much shorter than the typical TEA petroleum tanks (which is what all RTR bogie tanks are). The BOC cryogenic tanks were the subject of an article and drawing in Rail Express no. 102 (November 2004) and I dare say that they're included in one of the diagram books on the Barrowmore MRG website (although I don't know which one off the top of my head, I'm afraid). Remembering that they're referring to models that were available 8 years ago, the REx article says: "modelling the BOC tanks is quite a challenge... A good representation could probably be made using either the Lima or Hornby bogie tankers, the latter scaling out at about 5mm short in the barrel but with a diameter that is very close to our drawing... most of the underframe will need to be scratchbuilt". On the other hand, they're very attractive wagons. Go to it! Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted January 12, 2013 Author Share Posted January 12, 2013 They definately are good looking tanks, I'll add it to my 'to do' list, scheduled for completion August 2023.... Back OT, i'm still struggling to find anything on the old riverside yard layout and old depot. I have a link that shows old Crown Point Engineers yard layout and the new crown point depot is easy enough to see on google earth along with Thorpe Station itself post re-signalling. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMRG Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Hello. I presume you have looked at http://www.signalbox.org/diagrams.php? Where there are a few diagrams in the Norwich area. Kind regards, GBMRG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted January 12, 2013 Author Share Posted January 12, 2013 Yes i've seen those ones thanks (I probably should have mentioned that earlier!) A combination of those and any photo's i've been able to find has given me a rough layout of Trowse-Crown Point-Wensum Junction-Thorpe Junction-Norwich Thorpe Passenger. Norwich Goods seems very very basic compared to the sprawl that i remember so i'm guessing there were a lot of ground frames in that area maybe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted January 12, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2013 Norwich Goods only controlled a small part of the layout, generally sidings would be hand levers rather than ground frames - e.g "goods yard" on the NG diagram Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagonman Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 You could try the Norfolk Records Office in Norwich. They have lots of maps, some fairly recent... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 Good idea, next time i'm 'back home' and the wife makes me suffer shopping then i'll drag her there as punishment and see what i can find. Good tip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted January 14, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2013 Are these any use - from 1979 iirc 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 They are amazing, Thank you. There used to be a load of pictures on which ever photo storing site it was that stopped working a couple of years ago too of it all shortly after re-signalling. But alas no more! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted January 14, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2013 Here's a few more, no track detail though 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Beast66808 your such a tease... Two good pictures of the motor operated distant outside Norwich Thorpe Junction but just a glimpse of the fogging arrangements.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted January 14, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2013 Beast66808 your such a tease... Two good pictures of the motor operated distant outside Norwich Thorpe Junction but just a glimpse of the fogging arrangements.. 66606 - I am the real devil, at least that's what I'm told by my "conscience"! I have a photo of the mini fog signals at Whitemoor if you are interested ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirty2a Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Hi a couple from me, they were taken just as the rebuilding work started. I have many pics of Norwich through the diesel era but not scanned at moment. I hope they are of interest. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 66606 - I am the real devil, at least that's what I'm told by my "conscience"! I have a photo of the mini fog signals at Whitemoor if you are interested ? Oh yes please! Which ones? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfsboy Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) You can actually have three sets of completely accurate 00 figures for Norwich Thorpe station,Crown Point and a BR track crew at Portland Cement siding Thorpe St Andrew .Phoenix Model Developments ,now S&D, asked me to sculpt some 00 figures and I used those locations and access via the management to take some photos .I forget the date but Crown point was fairly new so maybe around 1989, A conducted tour of Crown Point was authorised so great fun ,I wonder what i did with the photos ? . I put bases cast onto the figures at Phoenix request but they should have had a pin or nothing . Martin Edited January 14, 2013 by alfsboy 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 You can actually have three sets of completely accurate 00 figures for Norwich Thorpe station,Crown Point and a BR track crew at Portland Cement siding Thorpe St Andrew .Phoenix Model Developments ,now S&D, asked me to sculpt some 00 figures and I used those locations and access via the management to take some photos .I forget the date but Crown point was fairly new so maybe around 1989, A conducted tour of Crown Point was authorised so great fun ,I wonder what i did with the photos ? . I put bases cast onto the figures at Phoenix request but they should have had a pin or nothing . Martin That would take modelling an actual location to the extreme by having 4mm scale models of the people actually there! More good pictures, thanks thirty2a! they're all coming out of the woodwork now! Just don't let me forget on my next trip back the the mother land to pop into the Norfolk Records Office. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 A couple more bits from me.. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted January 14, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2013 Oh yes please! Which ones? These Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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