RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted September 19, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 19, 2017 There were a pair of kittens lurking around outside today, a tortoiseshell and a black and white. They were pretending to be chasing grashoppers, and watching the bird table for a snack, but now I know. It was a stakeout! Go with the Bachmann Class 4, it'll be less controversial.... And it'll take less room. The Baccy Class 4MT, I mean, not the kittens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted September 20, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 20, 2017 There is a very suspicious grey tabby cat frequenting my house, posing as a rodent exterminator, purring roll-on-back artiste, and general owner of the entire property. The MiM are indeed cunning. Off now to see if my V8 still goes well on this fine spring morning, and to work out if there is any value in even more pics of Rivarossi articulated steam locos, or if a Bachmann Standard Class 4 2-6-0 with accessories added will make a nicer subject. Decision. Decision. The MiM don't use cats, far to difficult to train... There were a pair of kittens lurking around outside today, a tortoiseshell and a black and white. They were pretending to be chasing grashoppers, and watching the bird table for a snack, but now I know. It was a stakeout! Go with the Bachmann Class 4, it'll be less controversial.... ... or kittens for that matter.. ... only one Order was known to use cats - the BOU And no a ball of wool won't distract them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 21, 2017 Author Share Posted September 21, 2017 Pretty as a picture. A previous-to-the-current generation Princess Coronation class, with editing... I rather like the two Hornby-weathered Duchesses... the other is maroon 'City of Nottingham' from memory. Of course the spray of brown does little to show the rather oily appearance of the class after WCML work , as I suspect they had. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Pretty as a picture. A previous-to-the-current generation Princess Coronation class, with editing... I rather like the two Hornby-weathered Duchesses... the other is maroon 'City of Nottingham' from memory. Of course the spray of brown does little to show the rather oily appearance of the class after WCML work , as I suspect they had. The flanged trailing wheel has been noted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) It's a long time since I ran the Hornby Dublo Duchess of Montrose around a 3-rail layout on the floor! pictures edited, cheers Edited September 22, 2017 by robmcg 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 never forgetting the BR Crimson versions... here is the aformentioned Hornby weathered 46251 'City of Nottingham', edited. Looks like tidy current and recent super-detail Duchesses go for £80-£110 on Ebay. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 23, 2017 Author Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) A spot of virtual light weathering on the Hornby photo... edited to correct crank eccentric somewhat... also edited to add front driving wheel brakes. Edited September 25, 2017 by robmcg 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitalspark Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 (edited) I would include a little more soot along the boiler top but apart from that it looks spot on. Obvious period before the clean air act! We certainly model our locos weathered and as its early 60s cleaning was not a priority although certain Duchesses including 'Stanier' always seemed to be well turned out which was encouraging. Couple of pics of a pair of Hornbys finest after one of our group a certain Mr Mad McCann worked his magic on them and while still displaying their colour and lining the days of squads of cleaners at 12A were in decline. Dave. Edited September 24, 2017 by vitalspark 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted September 24, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 24, 2017 Hmmm, I think Rob has a severe case of Stanieritis!!! The MiM stand ready to cure him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted September 24, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 24, 2017 Something dirty and Southern, this way comes... And the Shack is all white too 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 24, 2017 Author Share Posted September 24, 2017 (edited) Hmmm, I think Rob has a severe case of Stanieritis!!! The MiM stand ready to cure him I thought the Ivatt rear truck would exonerate me. Mind you, a severe Stanier-type ague has struck me down. I actually thought of buying an LMS Athol to use the rear truck on a Sir William, thus creating a more 'normal' Princess Coronation, until I thought about the different cab side sheets, cut-off lever housing and no doubt other differences wrought by WW2-influenced Ivatt. Then I thought, I'll let someone else try that one... I wonder if the Ivatt trailing truck really did make the last two Duchesses rather poorer riders than the others? I understand the ashpan and engine disposal duties were easier on these two, and the standard Duchess ashpans used to suffer clogging on long runs Euston-Carlisle Crewe-Perth and 'right through' with poorer wartime and post-war coal. Perhaps I will do another Rivarossi or Bachmann 4-8-4 to settle my mind and gain sensible perspective.... Edited September 25, 2017 by robmcg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 26, 2017 Author Share Posted September 26, 2017 although I did do a pic of a NYC S1a 4-8-4 it was not enough to cure me, and I have embarked on some BR Princess class pics , which do rather lend themselves to photo-editing... and they need quite a bit of it, unlike the newly-tooled Duchess models. I even bought a factory-weathered R2448 46210 'Lady Patricia' which will do very well as an artistic challenge. In the meantime here is R2616 46211 'Queen Maud' in an unlikely bucolic setting. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted September 27, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 27, 2017 A model sorely in need of re tooling...IMHO. Next up,Hornby ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spet0114 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 My word! Rob's produced a picture with sunshine! Whatever next? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted September 27, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 27, 2017 A slight diversion - the Shack is getting there slowly And there is a loco coming later today - I just need to finish the hand weathering and add a few other details.... 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted September 27, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 27, 2017 I must keep the Bulleid Gods happy... And the Shackleton has her Bomb-bay doors installed 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 27, 2017 Author Share Posted September 27, 2017 (edited) Bude was indeed a good subject for Hornby, the prototype had a great and long career. About the same time as the Bulleid Light Pacifics were tooled by Hornby in 2001-2, the Stanier Princess was also made, and I have a soft spot for these engines because they represent so much that was right about the LMS under Stanier, (and sometimes wrong). One of the best articles ever written by O S Nock was a description of a footplate ride from Glasgow to London without engine-change, and how hard the crew worked to keep pressure up on the early 1933 design loco, with both the driver and Ossie taking a turn at firing, and there was next to no coal left by Euston. One wonders if there will be a market for a freshly-tooled version of either or both these Hornby models of 2001, up to the standard of the new Duchess/Princess Coronation. In the meantime I have taken the liberty of adding details to that standard by my editing. I have chosen 46210 'Lady Patricia' manufactured in weathered early BR blue livery by Hornby, with a plethora of added small details like lubricators, and tighter clearances around the front bogie as per the new Duchess, but little else, the long and powerful locomotive being in my opinion a very impressive model. cheers Edited September 28, 2017 by robmcg 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 The Duchess was one on its own and I always preferred the Lizzies because they looked like 'normal' LMS engines but were so much more impressively bigger. Standing beside one inside Newton Heath shed in 1960 left me in awe. Part of its motion was lying on the concrete it so it must have arrived at Manchester London Road needing attention, and had been dragged or whatever to Newton Heath. Don't ask me the number....I never looked at such things. Somehow, I doubt Hornby will turn their attention to this class any time soon because of the new 'Duchess'. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brocp Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I really hope we see a new tooled Princess very soon. Hopefully Hornby would tool uo the differences between thr main batch and the first two. Plus i reckon a Turbomotive model would be extremely popular as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted September 28, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 28, 2017 Hornby have said before that the Princess was a totemic model for them and that for this reason they would always want it in their range. Whether such things still apply I don't know but I hope a new model does come from them in the near(ish!) future and maybe the most recent model could have a future in the Railroad range. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 ...I reckon a Turbomotive model would be extremely popular as well. For my money, that's the item - never previously available RTR - that suggests the Princess as one of the leading subjects with an existing model likely to get a remake. In a market stuffed with models and a large pile of s/h in existence, offering something completely new is looking increasingly important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 For some reason the LMS Turbomotive reminds me of a certain LMS publicity-driven design.... but in the current financial circumstances for Hornby not expecting a re-tooled anythng very soon, I am very impressed by efforts taken in choosing the crimson to be used on the unadorned Stanier Princess Coronation class engines as described in the Engineshed. When I create pictures on my screen I am limited in my accuracy of colour (if indeed there is any such thing as 'exact' in judging colour) by the nature of my original digital photo of a BR crimson Duchess and by the fact that I use a cheap Acer laptop for my editing, the screen of which is poorly regarded by those who know about such things as colour depth and tonal range. Slight variations in angle of viewing can greatly affect brightness and contrast, I have no idea what my pictures look like on tablets and phones, but they usually come out ok on an iPhone5. Here are a couple more BR crimson Duchesses, 46245 and 46248 both beautiful to my eye! Usual liberties taken with just about everything. 46245 is in forward gear just about to move off... cheers, 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brocp Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Why do you think Honrby wouldn't retool anything? Hornby are about making money, if they think thsr retooling some of their old models of extremely popular prototypes, they will, especially as other manufacters could quickly jump and make them to modern standards instead. Hornby will retool the Princess, 8F and Black 5 (plus making the caprotti locos) just because they'll have to, if not they'll miss out on future sales that Bachmann or whoever will get. No manufacture of anything makes money by not making something new. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 ...(if indeed there is any such thing as 'exact' in judging colour... Rest assured that there isn't. Colour perception is entirely an artefact of our personal visual systems, and colour as a result cannot be absolute because there is a distribution of perception in the human population. (O level physics revealed this to me: "The Sodium 'D' lines are yellow" says the master, "They are orange" says the pupil; who is promptly informed that for the purposes of the examination they will be yellow. Many years later that was sorted out, I am a divergent trichromat, and have to be 'relaxed' about colour match claims.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 (edited) In theory, if someone who is colour blind is given a dry paint sample of maroon, but they think it is green and are told to match it, they will produce a matching green. It's just that to everyone else it will look like maroon. Edited September 30, 2017 by coachmann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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