steve1 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 I've always had a soft spot for this loco and although just about every other prototype gets a lot of exposure, poor old Hawk seem to miss out.Maybe Heljan , who seem to be keen on prototypes, will get round to making one, after all they do the Class 16, which is very similar. Indeed, there's a thought, would it possible to convert a Heljan 16 into Hawk?steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted March 10, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 10, 2014 I've always had a soft spot for this loco and although just about every other prototype gets a lot of exposure, poor old Hawk seem to miss out. Maybe Heljan , who seem to be keen on prototypes, will get round to making one, after all they do the Class 16, which is very similar. Indeed, there's a thought, would it possible to convert a Heljan 16 into Hawk? steve Hi Steve Having built both Hawk and several North British Type 1s I agree they look similar but that is where the similarity ends. The bogies from the D84xx could be used, but I don't think the chassis of the Heljan model could be as the running plate is part of the chassis casting and the bogie centres need altering. From memory 10800 has a longer wheelbase. Engine room and cabs are different. I am about to go out so will post a photo of my model of Hawk later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted March 10, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 10, 2014 Ex LMS/LMR Ivatt Bo-Bo diesel 10800 rebuilt by Brush to Hawk, the experimantal AC traction locomotive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve1 Posted March 10, 2014 Author Share Posted March 10, 2014 Cheers Clive! Looks like I'll have to wait for Heljan steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
10800 Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 The 15 is a better wheelbase match for 10800, I was going to use a Heljan 15 chassis to build an Alexander body on but it would have meant a lot of carving away at bits on the Heljan 15 which are in different places to where they are on 10800. http://www.clag.org.uk/wheelbase.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Once Heljan have a suitable drive developed, they seem to run it in as many different bodies as possible, altering the wheelbase dimensions to suit. I certainly wouldn't bet against the BoBo prototypes coming out someday, following the deployment of their six axle drive into several prototype locos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adanapress Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I once read somewhere that one or two bits of Hawk survive at the Brush works in Loughboro', does anyone know if this is true? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Ex LMS/LMR Ivatt Bo-Bo diesel 10800 rebuilt by Brush to Hawk, the experimantal AC traction locomotive. 001b.png Clive, I saw HAWK on its inaugural test run on the Midland mainline at Wigston, Leics. The up slow line was at the bottom of our school playing-field and, one lunchtime, HAWK stopped in Wigston Magna station up slow platform whilst the 'white coats' checked it over. As we knew nothing of such a loco existing, there were cries of derision from those spotters who had missed it when we reported what we'd seen. Vindication came shortly, thanks to Modern Railways! One point; HAWK was unique in that it was painted overall in BR Sherwood Green; (the lower, paler green used on Brush Type 4s). It also carried the lettering EXPERIMENTAL LOCOMOTIVE. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 She looks lovely in that shot, the Sherwood Green was a rather tasty touch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted March 12, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 12, 2014 Clive, I saw HAWK on its inaugural test run on the Midland mainline at Wigston, Leics. The up slow line was at the bottom of our school playing-field and, one lunchtime, HAWK stopped in Wigston Magna station up slow platform whilst the 'white coats' checked it over. As we knew nothing of such a loco existing, there were cries of derision from those spotters who had missed it when we reported what we'd seen. Vindication came shortly, thanks to Modern Railways! One point; HAWK was unique in that it was painted overall in BR Sherwood Green; (the lower, paler green used on Brush Type 4s). It also carried the lettering EXPERIMENTAL LOCOMOTIVE. Regards, John Isherwood. 10800 HAWK_02.jpg 10800 HAWK_03 - small.jpg Hi John Thanks for the information on Hawk. I know I got the livery wrong. I found out a few years ago but still haven't got round to painting in Sherwood Green. I have a few Brush 4s nearly ready for painting so it can join the queue. As for Experimental Locomotive, when I made it there was no one doing the correct transfers. Does anyone do them now? Hint Hint Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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