steve fay Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Well the heading sais it all, I want to know what the withdrawal date is Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 I have pictures of it in the Russell book but would like to know if it was still around in the late 50's There's not much info on the web Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Hi Steve I built a model of it about 10 years ago, plasticard & micro strip. Wooden roof, w/m bogies. Will post a photo when I get home. Won't help your question as mine is choc/cream... Cheers Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) Hi Steve Info I have about this vehicle, GW coaches 1903-1948 Jim Russell, pg 61/2, plus more some courtesy John Lewis Into stock October 1908, 9' American bogies, gas lighting, presumed brown Bogies changed to coil sprung 9' in 1911 1917, footboards lengthened by a foot... Presume new ones fitted, believed to be painted lake at this refit Some time between 1922 & 1925, re painted choc & cream Electric lights 1929, 7' bogies were fitted (with blue axle boxes) by December 1930 Painted all brown April 1936, again dec 37 & July 41. No records for colour after the war Photos in Russell not dated, looks pretty grubby brown, Russell says "when I knew it" so presumably he saw it regularly during his work - might help your question I have to thank you for asking the question, it poked me into getting it out of its stock box and putting the transfers on it! I need to dirty the roof a bit, white isn't reasonable. Pure conjecture but I have put blanking plates where the lamps were. You'll notice if you're eagle-eyed that the number is currently "8", I'll add the "33" when it's all dried as the methfix transfers are a bit old and unsticky. The siphon F was a purchase from the B&B at reading last year. I'm not sure what to do about it as it sits about 2mm too high and it shows. Trouble is, most of that discrepancy is in the body itself. I can lose perhaps half a mm between bogie & body, but it'll still show I fear. Nice bit of brass tho, weighs about a kilo! Sorry I can't help with the original question Best Simon Edited October 15, 2014 by Simond 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted October 15, 2014 Author Share Posted October 15, 2014 Thanks Although the pictures haven't shown up, Looking at the pictures in the Russell book it looks a very grubby brown to me and the coach its next to looks to be in blood and custard although I can't say for definite. Apparently there may be withdrawal dates in the appendix of the Russell book but I only have the first edition Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Doesn't say which edition mine is so I assume first also - 1973 - reprinted 1977 & 1990 S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Are you going to build one - I assume there isn't a kit - I did some scale drawings on the CAD, which I could let you have? S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted October 15, 2014 Author Share Posted October 15, 2014 I'm having this one, built by Michelle Davidson from scratch, the bogies will be changed to the latter ones. I'm just wondering if it got painted in BR Crimson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) Are you going to build one - I assume there isn't a kit - I did some scale drawings on the CAD, which I could let you have? S There was a Hayes kit - I have one in the pile somewhere. I'll try and dig it out and see if there is any additional historical information in the instructions (I wouldn't hold my breath - it would likely be cribbed from Russell anyway). Adrian Edited October 16, 2014 by Adrian Wintle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Steve yours looks nice - it would be interesting to see them together! I managed to get the Blacksmith 70 toplight kit too, got it running but lots to do to finish it - you don't need many of these to fill a windowledge!!! I can see the photos of mine (on different computer to the one I loaded them from) - do I understand from your comment "pictures haven't shown up" that they aren't visible on your screen? best Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted October 16, 2014 Author Share Posted October 16, 2014 They wasn't but they are now thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) The Haye instructions do not have a withdrawal date. They acknowledge that it was repainted into brown (from brown and cream) in 1936 and that it went from 9' American bogies to 7' plate bogies in Sept 1929 (date probable), but that is it. Harris (Great Western Coaches from 1890) says: No 833 was an oddity - a 70' newspaper van with outside framing in 'Siphon' van fashion - with sliding doors and a guard's compartment. It received 7ft bogies in the late 1920s and survived into the 1940s, then going to Oxford MPD, for internal use. Adrian Edited October 17, 2014 by Adrian Wintle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwell Hall Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 The Haye instructions do not have a withdrawal date. They acknowledge that it was repainted into brown (from brown and cream) in 1936 and that it went from 9' American bogies to 7' plate bogies in Sept 1929 (date probable), but that is it. Harris (Great Western Coaches from 1890) says: No 833 was an oddity - a 70' newspaper van with outside framing in 'Siphon' van fashion - with sliding doors and a guard's compartment. It received 7ft bogies in the late 1920s and survived into the 1940s, then going to Oxford MPD, for internal use. Adrian I have a photograph of Weymouth yard taken around 1951 - 2 and the van is visible in the background. It appears to be in traffic as it is with other parcels vehicles but as it is a black & white photo I cannot help with the colour - the lettering is also not visible under the grime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwell Hall Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 How about doing some proper research - not everything is on the web? However I have it very good authority that the one-off M13 was condemned 5/57. It was known to the railwaymen of the time as the 'Noah's Ark'. In my early 1950s photo it is so grubby it is impossible to see any lettering so I 've no idea what the BR livery was. Hope this helps. Gerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted November 11, 2014 Author Share Posted November 11, 2014 Thanks for the information, I think I might have it done in a very worn out GW brown Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Good call, even if you aren't right, at least you won't be wrong S 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scratcher Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 I've just acquired an M13 from a well-known auction site. Any possibility that folk could re-attach their photos to their posts, there's a few details on mine that aren't exactly right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 I can’t reattach, but I can get it out and photograph it. But I have to go to work first… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 (edited) On 03/04/2022 at 23:04, scratcher said: I've just acquired an M13 from a well-known auction site. Any possibility that folk could re-attach their photos to their posts, there's a few details on mine that aren't exactly right. Images I have in my collectiom. The Hayes kit is still available from David Geen as etches only. I bought one form him a couple of weeks ago. Mike Wiltshire Edited April 10, 2022 by Coach bogie 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 (edited) Well, it would appear that I got the transfers wrong I wish I’d had those photos when I did it! the lack of window bars is noticeable, and not too difficult to address. The lack of riveted plates over the framing joints is less easy to fix. Edited April 10, 2022 by Simond 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 Over 200 feet of coaches… 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted April 10, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 10, 2022 70 footers certainly have a presence. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 just found a pic of mine. Scary thought is I built this over 30 years ago. Mike Wiltshire 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 Are you still interested in the date? The Hugh Longworth book has it as withdrawn in 6/1957, which with the idea that they usually worked to about a month date wise fits in with Bulwell Hall's information. On 11/11/2014 at 08:43, Bulwell Hall said: How about doing some proper research - not everything is on the web? However I have it very good authority that the one-off M13 was condemned 5/57. It was known to the railwaymen of the time as the 'Noah's Ark'. In my early 1950s photo it is so grubby it is impossible to see any lettering so I 've no idea what the BR livery was. Hope this helps. Gerry Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted April 17, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17, 2022 Just purchased a kit for one of these via eBay, I hadn’t planned to but couldn’t resist…. I hadn’t done my research in advance so glad to see it lasted past 1947. Will have to have a good look through the books once I get home, to see what prototype images are available other than those earlier in the thread. Certainly glad to see it should be all over brown in the 40s. Which choc and cream looks rather nice I don’t fancy the masking over all those ribs 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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