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veering OT, but i'm sure some of the chart announcements are kenny everett before he fully became 'kenny everett' not watched this for a while, quality stuff - though a green met-camm at kirkcaldy (13:25ish) still takes me by surprise!

think so, sulzer - btw, what's going on with the welding on the front - not exactly very neat! and with 20 078 behind

"Thinks the guard is a - really rather splendid sort of chap, actually, And the guard thinks the driver's the same." presumably all best-of-friends if they can wangle an early finish!

hello dave, finally found and got round to scanning those pics 60009 at waverley awaiting departure to perth view of the train on the way to perth (best i've got i'm afraid) - seems to be all b/g mk1s with scotrail branding - though whether it was Scotrail/ScotRail, i don't know 60009 on the middle road at perth (not sure if heading north to the yard or back south for departure) 60009 on display in the north yard

wonder if there was something in the sectional appendix, e.g. a special instruction that as p-p trains, they should have two tail lamps lit? are there any pics out there showing the loco on the back with 2 lights?

dave, i've definitely got some pics taken 'hingin oot the windae' of the train going north - i'll have to have a rake for them tho, as they're still in the envelope separate from the photos of the locos/stock at perth. probably won't show the whole formation, but definitely blue/grey mk1s (and i was in an SK)

same day as me sulzer, we may have passed each other! it was marketed as perth 'railfair', i may still have the booklet somewhere. i went with my dad and it involved a train from kirkcaldy to edinburgh then a train of mk1 stock to perth behind 60009 'union of south africa' now that i've re-found the photos, i really must scan them and get them on here somewhere - as already mentioned, they're rubbish quality due to being on 'disc' film, but there were a lot of different locos/stock etc there, both at the station and in the yard to be honest, i don't know how it came about as it was a very 'dad and son' thing to do and my dad wasn't really like that!

if i may - nat king cole

here you go dave, i'm as well posting them here, the quality isn't really going to get any better! (although you may be able to jiggle the levels etc.) 47 708 'waverley' + p/p set provided the shuttle from the station to the yard where 47 546 was.

i'm not a big follower of individual locos, but i thought i recognised 47 546 had a quick check and indeed it was familiar! some of my few railway pics were taken at perth railfair in april(?) 1985. iirc in the north yard, 546 was in freshly painted LL blue complete with 'highland rail' stags and yellow snowploughs. (it wasn't named at that time though) if the pics are of any use, i'll get them scanned for you (there will be a noticeable grain to them though - taken on a bloody 'disc' camera! would've been better using the old 126 instamatic )

can't link to the pic directly, but scroll half-way down for new D855 heading south through wigan with D6324 (after repair) in tow http://www.davidheyscollection.com/page32.htm

it might take a while chris, but if you keep on as you're doing so far, then the result will be worth it. clive pointed out that three bays of seating in the TS are to the former 1st. class seat pitch, but i've just noticed that the 1st. class sections of the DTC have the shortest seat pitches of the whole unit! (but then again the seats are 2+2 instead of 3+2)

oops! sorry dave, the dangers of finding the pic and forgetting to copy before pasting! (had previously posted on gallows close thread about 307s) correct link here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/train-pix/8501920872/in/set-72157627007363851/ (corrected original link too) hope i didn't cause too much confusion about 1950s EMUs working into waverley - at least they were LNER......

never mind the tractor, a full shove set in ScotRail livery always looks the biz! a bit out-of-time, but spotted this new pic from ron fisher's flickr - http://www.flickr.com/photos/train-pix/8501920872/in/set-72157627007363851/ i take it this is from platform 1/19 looking west towards the mound tunnels. never knew there were stabling sidings here off the 'through' loops - must've been lost in the 1976 reorganisation. iirc is this the area where there was a plaque/sign to commemorate the line to scotland street?

just shows you may have the info you need and official diagram drawings, but you still need pics to be absolutely sure! the 5-marker light shown for the DTC ends was relevant to when they were first introduced! - http://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/6841209933/ (just noticed that, unusually they had low-level brake pipes at the same time as buckeyes/rubbing plates) - don't know for sure, but they probably lost it when they were converted to 25kV ac, when they gained the 4-character headcodes - http://www.flickr.com/photos/86020500@N06/7948157998/ also the DTC diagram not only shows 2 blank panels on the nearside - one should have windows in the 1st. class section, t'other is the toilet window - but they seem to have omitted a door on each side from the first 1st.class bay next to the toilet.

great work chris, all this filling and filing will be worth it soon i think! re: the TSOL, the blank panel was, as you know, oppsite the toilet - the diagram shows this side to have luggage shelves, hence the lack of window. re-furbed diagram drawings at: http://www.barrowmoremrg.co.uk/BRBDocuments/Diagram_Book_210_for_Issue.pdf the TSOL is on page 296 - the others are there too, but notice the drawings for each class are not grouped together. rather the book goes through the vehicles of all classes by vehicle type. MS - p.78, DTC - p.204, BDTBS - p. 412 interestingly, the diagram drawing of the DTC end hasn't been changed from the 5-marker light system!

great work and great pics again dave just a trick of the light but the pics of the 37 look like there is a nice blue haze of exhaust lingering in the air - i can almost smell the diesel!

thanks to 65288_62C for his post, i'd never thought to look in the front of the WTT for a list of headcodes! having done so, here's the lists from mine: 1972/3 section C 1975/6 section GC

i think, from photos in the oakwood press books etc., speed whiskers on the fife units gave way to yellow panels by about 1964? headcode fits with that from the link i mentioned : east coast - QS via winchburgh jn. an interesting remnant in recent times of these east-of-fife trains to glasgow was the one through train from markinch? out journey at about 7am, back journey leaving from QS around 5pm

there's a quick 1967 guide on the old railcar.co.uk (wayback machine) http://web.archive.org/web/20080829000400/http://www.railcar.co.uk/features/destination/2ScR.htm i have a couple of WTTs and it seems that the letter/number codes lasted to 1974/5, after which they changed to 2-digit codes, though still based on the route used e.g. edin-dunfermline or cowdenbeath are 53, edin-kdy or dundee are 52, edin-stirling are 54, edin-glas central are 17 of course, whatever the 1- or 2-digit headcode used, the trains were allocated a number in the WTT i.e. a full 4 character code for each individual service (as opposed to showing the route) incidentally 'L' is the destination letter allocated to dundee - 2L22 in the 75/76 WTT is the 0935 arbroath-dundee (twin DMU),headcode 52 (so 52 must mean any service on the east coast main line) i'll have a proper look for local codes when i have a chance

from looking at pics, it seems the 24s had plain, blue painted panels, but the 25s had fibreglass panels over the engine and next to the boiler exhaust panel newly outshopped cl.25: http://www.flickr.com/photos/59835095@N02/6263530102/in/set-72157627812401855 preserved example: http://www.flickr.com/photos/brianews/5860186593/in/set-72157627022732378/ although the pic of 25 262 would suggest these could be different, e.g. if the loco was non-boilered

will probably have been linked to previously, but several good pics on brushveteran's flickr (several HBS in the cl.24 set) e.g. http://www.flickr.com/photos/59835095@N02/6263000711/in/set-72157627812411185/ and http://www.flickr.com/photos/59835095@N02/6262998591/in/set-72157627812411185 the pics would suggest blue roofs up to where the washing plant reaches, then grubby grey/black for the top bit containing the access hatches! not definitely sure about the pale fibreglass panels, but there's a pic of a pretty clean 5040 (i know it's a 24/0) which seems to show the roof is totally blue http://www.flickr.com/photos/59835095@N02/6262995611/in/set-72157627812411185 (view in original size for a closer look) EDIT: a couple of pics from robertcwp's flickr: newly painted not-quite-HBS 24/1, D5146 : http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/2168696245/in/set-72157603653276211 24 115: http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/6159657395/in/set-72157603653276211/

another oddity courtesy of barkingbill - hi-vis yellow panel over standard yellow (which seems almost orange by comparison!) http://www.flickr.com/photos/barkingbill/8367869742/in/photostream/

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