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Hello Steve Many thanks for the above. I am - perhaps - being overly pessimistic, but NPCCS announcements seem to have tailed off lately. The 2021 Hornby GBL is the first since 2015 (ignoring later period Carflats of 2016). Below is a summary which others might be able to add to - if so, I will edit them back into this post. GWR 2010 Hornby Hawksworth BG 2011 Hornby Horse Box SR 2007 Hornby Van C 4-wheel BY 2012 Hornby Van B 2015 Bachmann PMV (but the CCT has not been produced in 'steam era' guise) 2021 Hornby GBL LMS 2005 Hornby 50ft BG 2010 Dapol Stove R 6-wheel (a commission originally) 2013 Hornby 4-wheel CCT 2014 Hornby Horse Box (inadvertently listed in LNER, now moved here) LNER 2012 Hornby Gresley BG 2013 Hornby Extra Long CCT 4-wheel BR 2000 Bachmann Mk1 BG (with Hornby coming in with their version later) 2007 Bachmann Mk1 GUV 2010 Bachman Mk1 TPO (first of several in later years) 2013 Bachmann Mk1 Horse Box (originally a TMC commission I think) 2014 Bachmann Mk1 CCT 4-wheel 2016 Oxford Carflats (but these were for the later BR period not the 1959 type) Edited in 'stop press' paragraph: The 2019 00 Wishlist Poll listed 68 items of NPCCS to vote for. Brian

Thanks Clive…but I hope I am getting across to you that it is impossible within the stated scope of these Mini-Polls to be ‘deadly accurate’, and your variants show some of the complexity. Within the ‘main’ 00 Wishlist Poll we made the statement as follows which applies equally here: The addition of BR running numbers was made some years ago at the request of voters and we have had notes of appreciation for that. They are there simply to assist identification. It is impossible for us to take into account the vast array of variations within classes over the years. The manufacturers will ‘get as much as they can’ from any model via the use of slip tools and so on. It seems to make commercial sense for them to produce models which span a number of decades and which appeal to a wide audience. We in The Team would often joke that we could work our socks off and list 99.7% of all variants of any item but would still have someone write in with (such as): "Ah…but you haven’t listed the one that was converted to a Treacle Van and used in the night freight on the Lordnoseware Branch between 26 January and 4 February 1908 before it derailed and fell into a river, never to be seen again". All I can do is point you towards a closely approximate position on the rolling stock compass, but I can't always give you an exact heading. Brian

Hello Clive As noted in other (main) and Mini-Polls, it is impossible to be totally precise with many items without going into lengthy variant lists which many find perplexing. I have listed specifically the 1957 vehicles numbered E71000-E71099, but appreciate that others were employed on car trains. I did, in fact, have many others listed in my first draft, but saw that they were 'over-powering' other items and deleted them. I suggest that you write up what 'car carrier' means to you, and your needs will be 'stored for reference'' in the Comments Received for makers to see. It has to be said that even if 10,000 of us voted for Car Carrier Vehicle A but makers found it more 'commercially viable' with tooling, packaging etc to make Car Carrier Vehicle B, then B would no doubt come to market. For the purpose of these 'informal Mini-Polls', if it looks like an ECML Car Carrier, then it probably is - and 'debate and discussion'' are welcomed. Hope that helps. Brian

Thanks David, duly corrected! Brian

Hello again everyone I thought it might be worth mentioning that NPCCS seems to have been by-passed by the RTR boys in the past few years. Yes...Hornby has just announced the SR Gangwayed Bogie Luggage Van and they have produced the LMS Horse Box but, apart from the Oxford Rail Carflats (2016) and the 'generic' Hattons and Hornby ranges, the genre seems thin on the ground. Or have I missed something? Brian

Hello everyone Here are my votes: 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9, 11. The Diag.7 52ft Bogie Covered Carriage Truck CCT is a distinctive vehicle and would definitely find a place on my layout. Hornby has already provided the iconic Long Wheelbase 4-wheel CCT, so the addition of the branded Anglo-Scottish Car Carriers would be very welcome. Although it is one of those ‘long trains’, and not starting until 1960, my layout will take the formation: BSK-FK-RU-FO-6 Car Carriers. This is a reduction from the booked 10 CCTs on the real train – but I can claim that my train is ‘the first of season’ and loadings have yet to pick up! The Diag.120 4-wheel Passenger Brake Van BY is a good one but perhaps more for the GER? Were any ever seen at Peterborough North? A real gap for plugging in non-bogie NPCCS is the much-needed 6-wheel BZ. One has even been seen on the Highbridge Branch of the S&D, so they have travelled far and wide. I have voted for the 51ft 1½in Gresley Van B & 52ft 6in BG. The shorter lengths compared to the more standard BR, Gresley and Thompson types would bring some classic ‘parcels train randomness’ to the scene (when added in with the Diag.7 CCT earlier). Adding to the ‘general clutter’ would be my choice of the Thompson Flat Planked Sides 61ft 6in BG. The BR TPOs are a bit of a minefield and Bachmann has produced just a handful. I was hoping they would at least produce those needed for the West of England TPO, but that looks increasingly unlikely. My vote goes to the LNER Diag.164 & Diag.165 TPOs. Can anyone say if these were used in the 10.30pm from King’s Cross in 1958? It’s another ‘long train’ but I can accommodate the formation: POS-POS-BSK-SLC-CK-SK-SK-BG-BG. Brian

00 Rolling Stock Mini-Poll No.3: Non-passenger-carrying Coaching Stock (NPCCS) Hello everyone Welcome to the third in our series of seven Mini-Polls concerning rolling stock that has at least some connection with Peterborough North. I am running them on behalf of Gilbert. You can submit your wishes here, on the thread, as usual, or PM me direct if you prefer the ‘secret ballot’ method. If you vote on the thread, please feel free to explain why you have chosen your selection – hopefully, that will promote some interesting debates – but please do not take it as an excuse to start up the old chestnut of ‘kits vs RTR’! Here’s what to do… 1. You may vote for two of the ‘car types’, plus four of the Passenger Brake Vans, plus one of the TPOs. Seven votes total available. You cannot ‘transfer votes’! 2. They must be items you would realistically wish to buy if made RTR. 3. Submit your entries on this thread simply as (for example): 2, 4, 7, 9, 12 – with comments and explanations following. 4. If you vote by PM, please only list your selection of numbers without explanations. Although the Gresley Diag.245 and Thompson Diag.344 BGs are currently available RTR, the aim here is to vote for ‘new tool’ versions to go with re-tooled coaches and that Bachmann might include the Diag.327 with the Diag.344. I have listed the Gresley 51ft 1½ B and 52ft 6in BG as one as I believe they could possibly share the same sides. To maintain brevity of this list, I have moved the LNER Fish Van (technically NPCCS) into a forthcoming Freight Mini-Poll. Get your thinking caps on and get voting! 1. Bogie Covered Carriage Truck CCT 45ft (Diags.2 & 3, of 1924-1928) 2. Bogie Covered Carriage Truck CCT 52ft (Diag.7, of 1940) 3. Car Carrier – Anglo-Scottish Bogie CCT (E71000-E71099 of 1957) 4. Car Carrier – Newton Chambers Double-Deck TCV (of 1962) 5. Passenger Brake Van BY 4-wheel (Diag.120 of 1927) 6. Passenger Brake Van BZ 6-wheel (Diag.358, BR-built 1950) 7. Passenger Brake Van B 51ft 1½in & BG 52ft 6in Gresley (Diags.129 & 284 of 1928 & 1939, Diags.154 & 282 of 1932 & 1938) 8. Passenger Brake Van BG 61ft 6in Gresley (Diag.245 of 1938-1943) 9. Passenger Brake Van BG 61ft 6in Thompson - Flat Planked Sides (Diag.327 of 1945-1946) 10. Passenger Brake Van BG 63ft 0in Thompson - Steel Sides (Diag.344 of 1945) 11. Travelling Post Office Vans – LNER (Diag.164 & Diag.165 of 1933 to 1937) 12. Travelling Post Office Vans – BR Mk1 (built or converted 1959-1977) You have until 17.00 on Thursday 3 June. However, I will stop earlier and advise if votes reach 50. I will present the results during the day on Friday 4 June. I look forward to your selections and comments! Brian (Note: These are ‘informal Polls for fun’ on Gilbert’s thread only and neither The 00 Wishlist Poll Team nor RMweb are specifically involved, apart from me in my ‘personal capacity’.)

Hello Tod My 08 developed exactly what you describe. In the end, I had to send it away for repair. I t came back and worked fine for a while. However, the high pitch noise has returned when I run faster than 'normal' shunting speed! I'll report back if I find a cure! Brian

Hello David I fully agree with your point about operation above (placed in bold by me for reference). I set out many years ago to have a model railway that was full of operating potential - attaching, detaching, carriage workings, loco rosters, freight shunting and so on. After nearly 25 years of endeavor and 'second guessing' how RTR products would come to market, I feel I have now achieved about 95% of what I set out to do. Yes...I have very successfully made a number of wagon kits, but my focus has been on RTR. My 25' x 10' layout can 'purport to be' Exeter Central, Oxford and then Newton Abbot depending on what stock I am running. I have produced cyclic diagrams for all my stock and have rostered locos to individual trains. Often, there are 'cycles within cycles'. I may not have 'made' my locos and stock but I have 'made' the workings after much study and repetitive testing and refining. And that has made me very happy indeed! Brian

Hello everyone I have managed to order a new motor (only) direct from Hornby and will report back. I felt the £10 or so plus post was worth a go. Brian

Thanks Kevin She starts and runs up to the 'new' maximum speed smoothly. All very puzzling! Brian

Hello Stephen For reasons of consistency in the Poll mentioned above, we listed the SECR Brake Van - 'Dance Hall' separately. This was also in The Top 50, roughly equal position 34 overall. Brian (on behalf of The 00 Wishlist Poll Team)

Hello everyone Congratulations to Rapido on the announcement of these vehicles! For reasons of lack of space, we had to list such wagons in the 2019 00 Wishlist Poll under the 'catch all' heading of SECR Wagons, Vans & Brake Vans (as we did similarly with LBSCR and LSWR). In the Results, the vehicles were in The Top 50 - roughly at overall position 21 - with the LBSCR and LSWR not far behind but also Top 50. We hope the project is a great success! Brian (on behalf of The 00 Wishlist Poll Team)

Hello cypherman That makes sense to me. Brian

Results - 00 Rolling Stock Mini-Poll No.2: Gresley Steel Panel 5-sets Gresley & Thompson Catering Hello everyone Many thanks to the 12 voters who took part, but – it has to be noted – that figure is half that of those who voted for the relevant passenger stock in Mini-Poll No.1. Does it indicate that catering has ‘half the potential’? Debate welcome on that! Somewhat conversely, we had almost double the number of written comments – so much so that, rather than take up space here, I have put them in a PDF attached. As per Mini-Poll No.1, they are in order of receipt but slightly edited for consistency. You will have already read these, but I felt it useful to have them all in one place in context with the results Although Clive suggested the Steel Panel Sets and Mr Duck ‘expressed an interest’, neither actually voted. Those two votes would have transposed the top two items (albeit marginally!). Although High Polling here, even with 8 votes, the Steel Panel stock would still have been in the Middle Polling segment of Mini-Poll No.1 The number of votes per item is shown in the left hand column. High Polling 7 Gresley Restaurant First & Open Third (eg Diag.10C RF & Diag.27A, 27C TO, 1928/9) 6 Gresley Steel Panel 5-sets GN & GC (1935 & 1939-1942) Middle Polling 5 Gresley Restaurant Pantry Third (eg Diags.15, 112, 151 & 321 of 1925-1943) 4 Gresley Buffet Car (Diag.167, as rebuilt 1958/9) 4 Thompson Restaurant First & Open Third (eg Diag.354 & Diag. 350, 1949 & 1947) Low Polling 3 Gresley Triplet Articulated Restaurant Set (eg Diags.12, 13, 14, 1924) 3 Thompson Pressure Ventilated Stock Buffet Lounge Car (1947) 2 Thompson FO/Kitchen Car/TO (eg Diags.351, 353, 350, 1947 & 1948) 1 Gresley Cafeteria Car (RCAF, rebuilt from Diag.95 Third Sleeper 1954) Please note that the results reflect the views of those who voted here and may not necessarily reflect those of the wider modelling community. I might be able to show you more on that another day, so I have split them up as High, Middle and Low Polling to be in context with 00 Wishlist Polls of the past. Brian (Note: These are ‘informal Polls for fun’ on Gilbert’s thread only and neither The 00 Wishlist Poll Team nor RMweb are specifically involved, apart from me in my ‘personal capacity’.) Mini-Poll No.2 Comments Received.pdf

Thanks Ian Not being overly 'mechanically or electrically gifted', I'm loathe to risk wrecking any of my good ones. Brian

Hello cypherman One of the 'mystifying problems' is that the loco was fine before it was put away for some weeks. Hello Johnster All areas of the loco have been thoroughly cleaned. I phoned Hornby about the loco, but it is too old for them to touch. Although the loco 'stalls', my controller stays fully alive. As noted earlier, I have changed controller with no effect. Brian

Hello Johnster Many thanks for your continued support! I have stripped all the 'DCC stuff' out so that it is just plain wires - but exactly the same 5ft or so then dies. Give it a five second break, and it will do it all again! I'm afraid the swapping and re-wiring on the keeper plates is a bit 'too worrying' for me and I don't want to wreck any of my good engines! Brian

Thanks JeffP Johnster beat me to the keyboard! Brian

Hello everyone A reminder that the 'Polling Station' for Mini-Poll No.2 will be closing at 1700 tomorrow, Thursday 27 May (with Results planned for Friday). If you haven't yet voted, here’s what to do… 1. You may choose the Gresley Steel Panel 5-sets, then a maximum of three Gresley catering items and two Thompson catering. 2. You cannot ‘transfer votes’ to have five Gresley and no Thompson etc. although you can vote for just the Steel Panel 5-sets, just Gresley catering or just Thompson catering. 3. They must be items you would realistically wish to buy if made RTR. 4. Submit your entries on this thread simply as (for example): 1, 2, 4, 7, 9 – with comments and explanations following. Or you can vote to me direct via PM with the same 'numbers only' style. 1. Gresley Steel Panel 5-sets GN & GC (1935 & 1939-1942) 2. Gresley Buffet Car (Diag.167, as rebuilt 1958/9) 3. Gresley Cafeteria Car (RCAF, rebuilt from Diag.95 Third Sleeper 1954) 4. Gresley Restaurant Pantry Third (eg Diags.15, 112, 151 & 321 of 1925-1943) 5. Gresley Restaurant First & Open Third (eg Diag.10C RF & Diag.27A, 27C TO, 1928/9) 6. Gresley Triplet Articulated Restaurant Set (eg Diags.12, 13, 14, 1924) 7. Thompson FO/Kitchen Car/TO (eg Diags.351, 353, 350, 1947 & 1948) 8. Thompson Restaurant First & Open Third (eg Diag.354 & Diag. 350, 1949 & 1947) 9. Thompson Pressure Ventilated Stock Buffet Lounge Car (1947) Brian

Hello again Johnster Well...I was able to remove the motor far more easily than I had imagined! It is held by a small 'L' shape bracket and screw. The chassis without motor pushes along superbly smoothly with no binding. The motor itself - when connected with two wires from the track - responds immediately and runs up to what I guess would be full speed with no hesitation, heating, sparking etc. Having put it all back to together, she still runs smoothly but will no go faster than dead slow and then fails after about 5ft. There is a 'small round thing' in the wiring - a capacitor? Could that be the problem? Can it 'blow'? Brian

Hello Chris The NPCCS and Freight Stock Polls are not yet published. Am I misunderstanding something with your choices 3, 4, 5? You have already voted in Mini-Poll No.3. Brian

Hello everyone Many thanks to all who have contributed to the voting and commenting on the Mini-Polls so far. As I have slightly revamped NPCCS into one poll (instead of two) - and that Gilbert has kindly approved an idea submitted by Phil (Mallard) - the running order and Poll numbering from Monday is as below. No.3: Non-passenger-carrying Coaching Stock (NPCCS) No.4: Freight Stock – 4-wheel (Pre-1951) No.5: Freight Stock – 4-wheel (Post-1950) No.6: Freight Stock – 8-wheel No.7: Departmental Stock Brian

Hello Bloodnok The reason some are missing is that - in the interests of brevity - I didn't give the values for 7, 9 and 11 coaches. The essence is that a 6-coach train length is about 'a fair median'. Brian

Ah! Ok Johnster, thanks, I'll try that. Brian