ChrisN

Chris,

Does look brilliant.  Especially like the door and the man, and the barrels look just the right amount of dirty.  I will need to check to see how long and how widespread the white lids were.

How old is the building?  I know Bermondsey, was quite new in the 1850s, relatively but my recollection of London, pre clean air act was that it was filthy.  The tunnels into Liverpool Street are about the only places that I have seen recently that have to same level of grey/black that I remember.  The rain has washed the dirt off would you believe.  Never went sarf of the River mind.  Norf Lundon boy, funny people other side of the River.

Happy Christmas Mike, and all the best for the New Year.  It is nice to see all your locos together.

If on the other hand you have a wagon with a certain number without a picture then whatever you build cannot be wrong.  

A nice set of waggons Mikkel.  I must look out for some David Green kits, if there are any still left around.  Traeth Mawr is not far from GWR territory so I can justify a few GWR waggons, even pre pooling.

3 hours ago, 5&9Models said:

Thank you. The figures are by ModelU from their ‘Ragged Victorians’ range. Having painted a few now I wouldn’t want any other figures. Because they’re 3D scans of real people, the quality is outstanding, the downside is that they make all my other figures look blobby! 

Thank you.

I always think the ModelU figures look to well nourished for Victorians or Edwardians.

Just brilliant!  Who makes the Rat Catcher?  Is it yours or modified?

I think you have a Danish product produced by a Danish company which is why it is not being translated.  I asked my wife what cleaners had potassium of the various types and she said, (she did a degree in chemical engineering so I assume she should know), 'All soaps have potassium in them."

I checked some stain removing products and they were shown as 'Irritants', and the ingredient list was poor, 'Anionic Surfactants.'  Others had 'Less than 5% potassium'.

If it is unique and good for removing paint from models, is it better than Dettol?  If it is after 1st January you might be able to start a black market importing it into the UK.

Customers Officer:  "Anything to declare?"

M: "N,n,n No!"

CO: "What is all this 'Brown Soap' in your suitcase?"

M: "It is in case I get grass stains on my clothes."

CO: "What two suitcases full of it?"

M: "I am a bit obsessive.  I model railways as well."

CO: "I see sir.  Umm, well on your way then."

Brilliant Mikkel,

You have captured the real essence of the truth of railway modelling.  Keep it quiet though, the cost of wheel bearings and vacuum pipes will go through the roof.

3 hours ago, Mikkel said:

 

Yes a bit odd that the author doesn't go more into that, although it does crop up occasionally (e.g. mid-p59). It's also not clear why it developed differently in the US, although in fairness that would be a whole study in itself. More generally speaking, I found this table interesting:

 

Source: Boughey, D. (1999) The Internalisation of Locomotive Building by Britain's Railway Companies during the Nineteenth Century. 'Business and Economic History , Vol. 28, No. 1, pp. 57- 67, 1999

I note that the Cambrian is ignored.  They probably saw the Pre-grouping map produced by Hattons, (I think), that had the whole of the Cambrian absorbed by the GWR.    (*shakes head*)  

The Cambrian had over 100 locomotives.  The numbers only went up to around 100 but when old locomotives were replaced they took on old numbers.  It made the Directors think they were not spending any money.  Of these the Cambrian only built one themselves, and that was from bit from Sharp Stewart, so nothing original to their workshop.  Oswestry Works did all the repairs.  They had a locomotive Superintendent who I think did the designs but it obviously was not worth their effort to actually have the infrastructure to make their own, and I assume they could not afford it.  

They did however make their own carriages and wagons which would have been easier but they also bough these in as well.  (If you want to know the ratios I will go and look, they only had about 200 at grouping, most of which the GWR scrapped- they were worn out.)

The last Smog, in London was, I think, in 1962.  I remember because as a boy I had an orthodontic appointment, and I suppose because it was so thick the buses were not running so my mum and I walked all the way.  Probably about 40 minutes.  We could only see about 5 - 10ft in front of us, if that.  The Orthodontist said, "Why did you not cancel?" which pleased my mum no end.  I was ill the next day, I felt quite sick.

This is a long way from your picture, but the fog looked like that, but perhaps more grey.

Mikkel,

Just brilliant as usual.  It would appear that most of the options for modifying have been covered so the rest of us will just have to be more inventive. 

It would appear that the staff at Farthing are much more interesting than those at Traeth Mawr, but then again Mr Woodcourt is far more of a dark horse than Mr Price.  

The lighting is as good as it ever is, displaying your models to perfection.  Having said that I prefer to have mine in half darkness, or better behind the building as you do not see the blemishes so well.

Edit:  Just noticed that one of the 'Tags' is 'Lardy Cake'  Just brilliant!  

A quick Google, and no more than that would say that these buildings were coal drops,

https://www.gasholder.london/2018/10/16/coal-drops-yard-the-early-history/

https://www.architectural-review.com/buildings/the-experience-is-everything-coal-drops-yard-london-by-heatherwick-studio/10044419.article

with the stables elsewhere

https://www.kingscross.co.uk/granary

http://www.crht1837.org/history/horsesstables

There is as has been mentioned before the two storey tables in Praed Street, Paddington.

Just stumbled across this.  (I do not get out of the pre-grouping area much.)  I lived in Dagenham for twenty years, (1980- 2003), and then in Brentwood for another ten.  It certainly does capture the feel of the place, although I remember it as even more scruffy.

10 hours ago, Mikkel said:

Many thanks, and yes the latter part is indeed filmed in the grounds of the old North & South Jct Rwy. The GWR gobbled up the entire railway and converted their station to a goods yard. 

 

Confusingly the layout used to be called The Sidings, but is now referred to as the Old Yard to match the, er,  evolving backstory of Farthing.

Mikkel,

You mean none of this is real?  I have been searching for Farthing on the map for ages!  I thought it was just down the line from Bedwyn.  

3 hours ago, Mikkel said:

 

Thanks Chris. As you'll know, the Airfix/Dapol/Hornby Dean Goods body still has a lot going for it. My idea for this project started with a plan to modify that into a roundtopped boiler. There's an old RMweb article on the matter, if you're interested.

 

Mikkel,

Thank you, but please do not tempt me.  I actually have too many locos, but none of the right sort.  As you from my thread know quick conversions tend to become more than you expected.  As pictures of three section saddle tank 850s in 1895 gratefully received.  The version I have is tender drive so that is another issue.  On the other hand if there was a body that could easily be converted...………  (If you could give me a link, or point me in the right direction of the article I promise I will completely ignore it as I have far too much else to do..  )

Just brilliant Mikkel. 

I think I said once that my backdate of a Hornby(?) Dean Goods was to give it an Edwardian crew.  Still not managed to do that yet.

Mikkel,

Very clever as always. I assume grease or something similar will not make the runners quieter?

Certainly coming along Mike.  Very clever not trying to print it all in one go but to make a kit of parts.  Will it be motorised or will it just go in the diorama?

Mike,

Very interesting and very clever.

Mikkel,

I assume that you know that in 1895 there was an international conference on, er, the problems with horses.  There was not enough fields to feed all the horses needed, and all the humans that needed them.  The other issue was how to dispose of the horse manure.  The problems went away with the rise of the motor car.

13 hours ago, Mikkel said:

 

Thanks Kit, I found Powell's painting online. Also some period photos. This lad looks like a suitable candidate for Farthing, I think I have one or two Andrew Stadden children that could be modified. Obviously I'll also have to model a crossing then!

 

Source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/nationalarchives/5078696800/. "This image is from the collections of The National Archives. Feel free to share it within the spirit of the Commons".

Mikkel,

Stop me if I have said this before.  This lad is on the cover of the first editions of 'Grandfather's London'.  It is a brilliant book full of pictures of ordinary people plying their trade, mainly in the Greenwich area of London in 1875.  I love this picture, as I know this lad.  I was brought up with people like him.  (Eighty years later and on the right side of the river, but still the same.)  

I am not sure my layout will have room for any of the characters, and even if I model the market square for my 009 layout it will have a market day in it, but just perhaps.

Mikkel,

Well done, another masterpiece in the making.    It seems to have gone together quite quickly but that is, as we know, just an illusion because the research has taken a long time.  Still, that is usually the best way as you find out things before you have to change what you have made.

You will have to tell me how you get on with your sandpaper road.  I was going to use something similar on my platforms but was advised that I would sand my fingers every time I went near it.  Perhaps you will have less contact with the road.

Glad to see you are well.

44 minutes ago, Mikkel said:

 

 

The one in the broad striped sweater looking down. I remember disliking the picture at the time as it made me look like a 'softie' 

 

Mikkel,

Northroader beat me too it!  Always interesting to see photos of people and much safer, when on the internet,  to see them from years ago.

49 minutes ago, Mikkel said:

Ah very interesting, I did a search and found this photo:  https://www.mirrorpix.com/?11808328521720195614&MEDIANUMBER=00477997

 

Who would have thought Peter Schmeichel worked as a fish porter!

 

Well, he was always a safe pair of hands.

8 hours ago, Methuselah said:

Interesting to see people wearing clogs. Clogs seem to have lasted much longer in some parts of the UK. Very comfortable and nigh-on indestructible.... :-)

Harold Wilson the British Prime Minister in the 60s and 70s caused an uproar by saying that when he went to school some children did not wear shoes.  He had to qualify the statement later by saying that he did not mean they were barefoot but that they wore clogs.  So this was Liverpool in the 1920s.

It is a Michell and Kenyon film.  It has where it was filmed in the original.