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I have to say that unless we signed a contact to promise that any purchase of the APT-e was strictly for personal use, then no one has any right to get upset by people who see the APT-E as an investment, rather than a model to be used on a layout, Personally I actually understand them more than than I understand someone who buys it (especially the sound model) and then keeps it in a display case, or even more extreme in the unopened packaging as a collector.

Waste?! I thought it was probably the best yet contribution on the thorny question of how does Hornby survive beyond the current pensioners' 'golden age' when they have both the time and the money to buy things. If how to create / contact and develop a future customer is not a part of product development, then I don't know what is! After all there are 1000's of posts on her complaining about Hornby being 'out of touch', 'not listening to customers', and so on. But when they take the time to tell us how they are doing it, it is a "WASTE"!

Here is the complete guide to imperial measures: Simple really:

It is really simple for me, If I could, I would build hand made 'OO' gauge points. Anyone who say I could learn to, has not seem my ham-fisted attempts at soldering. I would therefore like to buy ‘OO’ gauge track including points. If I can’t, then I’ll carry on buying Tillig HO points that are SO beautiful to look at compared the current PECO streamline range, and sod the track work I’ll attempt to distract the viewer with decent ballasting and scenery.

Look's to me like you all were receiving power shock at the time of the photo, judging by the hair

There is, you can just turn the automatic update to summertime off.

To be honest. It has nothing to do with the computer (or the software to be more accurate). Changing at any other time would be just wrong as it IS here that time changes in Europe. It would be distorting the dimension of time to do it at any other time. and I'm sure that nobody here would ever dream of distorting dimensions!

That's what I did, when I came to my senses and decided that as a non collecter who wants to actually run trains, it simply would not run on my present layout. I found someone on this forum who had missed out on ordering, I hope he is very happy with my/his model.

Yep. but are with or without sound?

But the real thing is not perfect yet, they still have not got the trick of using PVA glue to hold it in place.

'or elsewhere' Please tell me you are proceding :-)

The sleepers are one glaring fault, but for me, the joints in the blades are just as big a problem. That is why I have used Tillig track on my railway. What I really want is tillig points with 'OO' gauge sleepers.

We want to see the sandwich

I can see a new competition staring here, Not who is the first to receive their package, But who can put it together quickest! We need the stopwatch timing Andy.

Or did it just mean that they were the last few in stock, almost sold out, so it was you last chance to buy?

No this is one one to go for. Just need to cut a bit of the post to make it lower:

I'm sorry to chose your post as an example, it's not personal but is this not Hornby's problem in a nutshell. 'I will only buy if it's cheap and discounted', but 'nasty Hornby if they undercut the RRP by selling direct'

Funny, I've got more really good advice from this forum that I could possibly have got from a local shop, as my model updstairs shows. I would have said that advice is one of the things the internet is best at ( as long as you apply a common sense filter).

No we were talking about whether the reason Hornby is in the situation they are in is because of their decision to sell directly and cut out the middleman. My answer was a reply to a post declaring that they should not be allowed to sell things cheaper than the full retail price. My argument is that in the fight to stay alive, Hornby can not afford to subsidize local model shops.

So you think we must all be forced to pay 'the middleman' for the privilege of having a box shipped to him, and the straightaway shipped on to me? so that I support a 'local model shop'/ box shifter even though I live hundreds of miles away from them in a different country?

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I loved it, and lets' hope he is right about there still being a passion for trains in the general population. I hope also that he is right that Hornby will be there to bring them into the hobby.

Think I'll use a frog juicer on that one

Using a hot glue gun can be just as dangerous.