mjkerr

See post #66, confirms that only one in Blue Grey livery carried "Inter-City Scotrail" Still not found any with "Inter-City ScotRail"

Given all the DBSO were painted into ScotRail livery by 1986 this was probably taken a few years earlier, as I found to be quite common for such books As yet I have still not found a photo with the "Inter-City ScotRail" text, just one with "Scotrail" on a DBSO in Blue Grey livery What year are you looking for? The main issue is such consists would change on a daily basis 1986 : EC601 9701 + 3295 + 6605 + 5716 + 5694 + 5673 + (PC601) 92061 EC602 9702 + 11905 + 12030 + 12014 + 12004 EC604 9704 + 11907 + 12015 + 12027 + 12051 EC605 9705 + 11910 + 12023 + 12025 + 12017 EC611 9711 + 11908 + 12012 + 12005 + 12021

It's easier to create a history of each loco which is what I have done As there were only 17 Class 47/7 RCH (HA/ED) locos it is quite easy However, I have simply listed what livery each loco was in at each year 1986 to 1996 (along with all the ScotRail based coaches as well) edit : I might add a sub-section on my website with details about each Class 47/7 loco, why I did or did not select them My details for Class 37 locos (based at Eastfield and Inverness) is much more detailed, thanks to the Class 37 group website It's a shame there isn't a similar website with such information for Class 47 locos (as class47.co.uk simply lists basic details) My original plan was for Glasgow Queen Street 1982 to 1996, however I noticed the track layout into Platform 1 changed twice between 1982 and 1986 Therefore to be strictly accurate Blue / Grey livery wouldn't exist However, I doubt anyone viewing the layout would actually be aware of the changes at Platform 1 Equally, by 1996 Class 158 units were operating the Express services, so having these two together really is pushing the limits I have now completed two Blue Grey Mark 3A sets, the final Blue Grey set of Mark 2 (air con) coaches will be completed when the latest Farish version is released The ScotRail livery Mark 2 and 3A sets I have will do for just now, until the Dapol version is available, along with the latest Farish DBSO I am hopeful Farish release the Mark 2 coaches (both 2A and air con) in ScotRail livery The rakes are looking rather redundant with a lack of 47/7 locos at the moment!

As far as I am aware only 47711 and 47712 carried Large Logo Blue, 15 April 1981 is the earliest I can find 47711 15 April 1981 to October 1984 (photo on 01 December 1984 in ScotRail livery) 47712 15 April 1981 to February 1985 Note that 47711 was repainted three times in ScotRail livery (many of the others were painted at least twice) Its second repainted was August 1986 (correcting the text on one side) and the third in 1990 (with no text and fully painted yellow headboards) Repainting of the ScotRail Express coaches commenced in late 1984 (with the Aberdeen based coaches and air-braked Mark 2) and was completed by the end of 1986 (I certainly don't remember any in 1987) By the start of 1985 half of the DBSO and Mark 3 had been repainted and all were completed by the end of the year Those that weren't completed by the end of 1986 remained in Blue Grey, such as 6607 and 6614 I have photos of one DBSO carrying additional ScotRail text, "Inter-City Scotrail" but I can't find any of Mark 3A coaches with this text in Blue Grey livery However two of the sleepers carried "ScotRail Sleeper" and "Sleeper" (with the Inter-City blanked out)

The CO had exactly the same seating arrangement as the other TSO However the seats were in better condition than the other TSO operated by ScotRail, as they were unrefurbished The CO was supposed to have high-density (76 seats in a TSO) but retained the traditional format (72 seats in a TSO) This difference became noticeable once all the WCML TSO were refurbished Although the seats were newer, they were to the revised 76 capacity, and the ScotRail unefurbished seats were starting to show their age albeit with the lower 72 capacity

Interesting, as I need to recreate a BSO(T) for one of my Oban / Fort William rakes I was considering modifying the BCK, replacing the roof and interior

The orientation does matter, as has previously been pointed out Reference photos have also been supplied to show the difference This orientation then determines the seating layout for the 1+2 at the First Class end, if the other end is used the orientation is incorrect and as a consequence the dividing door would not fit On a more positive note, I have now fitted the light bars to 11 of the 13 Mark 3 coaches I have I paid particular attention to the FO The end with the light bar socket is the half which need to be removed and declassified Equally, the underframe can be swapped round (if you accidently declassify the wrong) but this is extremely time consuming Externally : Therefore for a CO the yellow stripe and number 1 on the doors, is the opposite end from the light bar socket To represent a FO the yellow stripe and number 1 on the doors would need to applied at the same end as the light bar Internally : To modify the seating, half of the seats at the light bar socket end need to be removed with space between the two inserts for the dividing door I am currently looking for methods to recreate the dividing door Sadly I am having difficulty sourcing reference photos However, it was very basic and the frames were aligned with the edges of the First Class seats, ie off-set to one side

I have earlier posts that advise the CO was not possible, so would be released as a FO However, as this has now been confirmed as a CO this presents other challenges to ensure the interior is correct This will become very obvious when light bars are fitted My username is MJKERR, there is no Mike involved...

The first post advised it would externally be a FO The latest post now advises it will externally be a CO I am only simply requesting to ensure the correct ends are setup as Standard / First Class, as the underframe is different at each end It's easy enough to swap the underframe aound on a Farish Mark 3, but I don't know how easy it is to swap the underframe around on the Dapol Mark 3 FO

The initial reply was that it would be a FO As it will be offered as a CO, please ensure the correct ends are setup as Standard / First Class

Yes, that is correct I always understood it that the initial batch of TSO were allocated to Scotland, and it was quite similar with the FO However, as the Class 47/7 locos and DBSO were not ready they were used to strengthen East Coast services for a few months One further full rake was added and so Craigentinny received quite a few TSO out of sequence

Apologies, quite right, I had discounted the DBSO and was counting the Mark 3A coaches only The four coach set (pack) being offered (in ScotRail stripe livery) isn't quite correct though It is going to be released with a FO, so it should have four TSO If it was released with a CO, then it would correctly have three TSO A compromise is being made, with the spare TSO seating being made available

Only one set each day was compiled as a 5 coach set, with one additional TSO and equally that additinal TSO was sometimes anything that was available This set would be allocated to the morning Glasgow QS - Aberdeen, which provided additional capacity to the evening Aberdeen - Glasgow QS service (often useful Tuesday and Wednesday evenings) On its next return to Cowlairs the additional TSO would be removed, and then swapped to another set, along with the 47/7

That is what I am currently doing, with a complete set of transfers being printed for me

Darn, as I have just completed a second rake of Mark 3A coaches in blue/grey livery (as these are still available) DBSO-FO-TSO-TSO-TSO-TSO x 2 However, the box set only has three TSO, where-as the ScotRail sets operated with four TSO If you need the coach numbers I have a full list Waiting for the ScotRail livery boxset with anticipation, as you know... I had only planned for one set in Blue/Grey livery to run with one Class 47/7 in Large Logo Blue, but the second set will run with one Class 47/7 in BR Blue (although not strictly accurate for 1986)

Your final reply in that thread appears to have been overlooked and confirms the arrangement I have installed into my CO It's not a disaster if it is wrong as the other half of the seats can used, or on the Farish coach the underframe turned round

Yes, I had previously noted which end retained the First Class seats However, I have been struggling to work out on which side the single seats are... The Second Class are just normal formation which was in use by then (half of the revised 76S)

Just doing the maths I currently have seven Farish Mark 3A coaches in ScotRail livery, six TSO and one CO, which will soon increase to nine (seven TSO and two CO) I do hope a bulk discount is available...

1 It was actually a conversion, removing four bays of seats from the FO and inserting (then) Second Class seats A swing door was also fitted between the two classes However, I have been struggling to find photos of the interior to confirm on which sides the seats were in relation to Second Class and the swing door 11005 and 11006 (from what I can work out) were the only two FO in ScotRail livery before the conversion work took place 6 I assume you are referring to the relaunch blue and yellow "ScotRail Express" vinyls applied to the toilet windows Not all Mark 3A coaches had these 7 Yes, but it was an internal modification and would not be noticeable However, the FO (47F) and CO (23F) had one less First Class seat 8 The earlier ScotRail blue was trialled on three coaches (two TSO and one Sleeper) and simply used Rail Blue, RailMatch 207 I managed to confirm this by taking close up photos, and then holding them up to a newly painted Class 47 in Large Logo Blue at the time The traditional Scottish Blue was then used, RailMatch 208, which ironically then became Provincial Blue Formations with FO : DBSO-FO-TSO-TSO-TSO-TSO Formations with CO : DBSO-CO-TSO-TSO-TSO However, one set was spare and so allocated to primarily Aberdeen services : DBSO-CO-TSO-TSO-TSO-TSO

0806 TSO 0816 FO I purchase 0807 TSO as this is incorrect and use for revinyling, but have done some of the above as well

Yes, two versions in InterCity livery I use these for revinyling purposes I have now checked the latest Bachmann Farish underframe on the BSO and it too uses the generic Mark 2E underframe, so is slightly incorrect

As you are modelling N gauge, you have the same issues I have So I use this website (amongst others) : http://ukrailwaypics.smugmug.com/Coaches/Mk2-Coaching-Stock The first problem is trying to identify what the existing body shells represent One of the batches Farish made was completely incorrect, so I use these for revinyling You can recognise this from the complete lack of windows for the toilets Basically, a TSO has eight windows and a FO (or FK) has seven windows, and in each case (apart from the FK) the tables line up with the windows Ignore the BSO and BFK for just now (I will explain later why) The next stage is to line up the coach so that you are viewing each side I use the heating extractor, which in the below photo is on the left hand side and appears on all three versions : This is a Mark 2D http://ukrailwaypics.smugmug.com/Coaches/Mk2-Coaching-Stock/Mk2D-TSO-5616-5740/i-Q9rSHg6/0/M/05737_ExeterSD_010406-M.jpg Note that the toilet windows are on the same side, and at each end On the other side there are no such windows http://ukrailwaypics.smugmug.com/Coaches/Mk2-Coaching-Stock/Mk2E-TSO-5744-5906-AC2E/i-qBp7Cw2/0/M/05792_Exeter_140804-M.jpg Note that the toilet windows have now moved to the same end, and the roof has been modified to match this http://www.flickr.com/photos/60854097@N06/7726870008/ Again in the same view, counting the windows shows this was originally a FO This is a Mark 2F, there is less equipment on the underframe Turning to the other side now (I am unable to find a photo of a TSO just now, but this is suitable for the underframe http://ukrailwaypics.smugmug.com/Coaches/Mk2-Coaching-Stock/Mk2D-FO-3174-3188-AD1D/i-x7gD872/0/M/03182_ExeterSD_160607-M.jpg You will note how similar this is to the Graham Farish underframe Also note the lack of toilet windows on this side http://www.railwayscene.co.uk/photo/8169 This is a Mark 2E, note the location of the toilets You will now note this looks almost identical to the Graham Farish underframe Finally is this one : http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/2206508593/ This is a Mark 2F, note the location of the toilets Note the single larger fan Moving on to the BSO and BFK Due to the handbrake some of the electrical equipment has had to be moved It is very subtle, but refer to photos for each version Here is a Mark 2E BSO, and note this only has the single fan, where the earlier photo above has two http://www.railwayscene.co.uk/photo/4215 I have yet to compare the latest Bachmann Farish BSO to see how correct that underframe is, but I suspect it uses the same template

Are there any issues when an item of older rolling stock, with exposed springs, sits over these magnets?

http://www.rail-brit...hp?cat=0&page=5 Take a look through my coach photos, plenty of end details showing the locations of the data panels and C1 This is the reference photo I use for InterCity livery air con mk2 : http://www.rail-britain.co.uk/gallery/displayimage.php?album=62&pid=508

I was looking forward to the BachFar version for N gauge, however wasn't aware Dapol were going to make such a model However, I remember seeing more BBA wagons at Carlisle during the late 1980s