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@Ben86 Definately 51L BRC022s, with the heavy duty riveted side plates cut off, although looking at the prototype again, I think they should be BRC023s, with the hood - I must have either not looked properly, or used what I had at the time. How are your minerals coming on?

Thanks Ben. Good question! I think they were from 51L. I'd have to look later and confirm.

Lanarkshire B026

That's the conclusion I have reached so far.

I can't remember who uploaded these orignally, but they are from an older RMWeb thread. Can anyone find VANFIT markings Pre-1963/4 i.e. on wagons without the maintenance datapanel and/or without the 'boxed' lettering?

Very rarely am I at the cutting edge of anything, but while painting the porch late this morning, the postman rang the bell. Very quick photos, so apologies for the quality. Inside the box were the instructions and three zip lock bags, one with the chassis, another with the two-part body and the third with NEM mounts and coupling hooks. Straight out of the bags and plonked together: Sadly none of the buffers survived transit despite the packaging, all heads broken off and one with damage to the shank as well. Brave pills required to drill them out and replace with some of my dwindling stocks of steel heads I think. (The Dia 1 open that I also ordered arrived with no damage). I've not been a big user of 3D prints so far, but the print quality looks good, lines only visible from some angles and fine enough I'm hoping will vanish under some primer. The floor and ends are a separate part to the sides and roof (hatchless version coming?) and didn't quite met up with the lowest plank as supplied. A warm bath and a little bit of finger pressure looks like it will get everything to line up. Everything currently having a wash down ready for a bit of prep and primer. I will probably not finish the porch today...

Hopefully they will come back with the ABS 4mm range - Formerly F.734 LNW 10T Grease Axleguard x 8. I don't know of any others currently out there. I need a couple to finish off the building of a couple of stragglers. While I had some time off over the bank holiday, I set up the cloneworks and made a mould of the remaining few I have. One axlebox isn't in great condition but we'll see how it comes out. I've been replacing the springs on a few wagons anyway. I'll cast a few rounds of copies and pick out the best. EDIT - Fresh from the mould. Bubble on one spring, but I'm cutting them off for what I need. Very difficult to photograph cream resin!

F.293 GWR d.C20/1 "Rectank" Bogie Well or d.J.20/1 "Bogie Bolster A" [SpW] F.484 NER ex WD 'Rectank' Bogie Well Wagon [h4] or 'Bolrecs' Bogie Bolster [SpW] F.497 LNE Diamond Frame Bogie - Pair [SpW]

The only paints I've found Mr Muscle didn't shift completely have been some old enamels - black and silver. I don't know what was different about them, but I've had a few second hand wagons from different sources painted with either colour and it really was tough stuff to remove.

There was the ABS whitemetal Rectank - it may come back through Modelstock in due time, but it could be a wait before the range becomes available.

I have modeller's PTSD from trying to make umpteen identical little rings to go on a BR 1/112 mineral (the cupboard door MoS 'French' wagons) which has them everywhere. I think I got halfway and then back into the maturing cupboard it went. That was winding a fine brass wire around a drill bit and then cuttting them off, shaping to try to leave a bit of a 'pin' at the back to mount in a drilled hole, rather than just gluing to the surface. I mentioned as I'd missed them entirely, having got some paint on my D4 before LNWR Wagons Vol1 came through the post, highlighting what I'd not seen on photos online. "Fiddlesticks" I might have said, or words to that effect. They are still on the 'to do' list. I think the little details like the rings do make a difference and it's always nice to push kits a little further, especially with reference material to hand.

43062 & 43013 again, passing through Burton-on-Trent in the morning sunshine. 1Q22 0644 Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Stockport

Will you be adding the tie down rings to the headstocks?.. I have a D4 to finish, but all of the buffer shanks were hopelessly damaged. I'm hoping ModelStock, who have taken over the 4mm ABS range will have the 3-bolt LNWR buffers available at some point. Unless there is another source currently available in 4mm?

The M360xxx series was a bit of a catch-all for ex-MoS 5 planks, SR type brake vans and others. I can't find a (Larkin?) book that lists them out at the moment. Edit - It's in Acquired Wagons Vol1, which has a table of numbers and previous owners. "Certain wagons from private companies and others from government bodies other than the Ministry of Transport were not in the original 'pooled' fleet and did not receieved (sic) 'P'-prefixed numbers. Instead they received numbers in the M360xxx range"

Youtube normally gets a bit prissy about nudity in videos (or is supposed to, at least), but these videos haven't been picked up by the AI bots. Don't want anyone to get a clip round the ear when the video cuts to a wall covered in topless models. "Research" might not be a good excuse...

Yes, the same building on Pancras Road.

Bottling, or obvious reasons of transport always seems to have been at a more local scale until road transport became dominant and you would think, safe enough to prevent high levels of wastage. Ind Coupe and Allsops both had smaller bottling plants and did have a number of Rail tanks, presumably moving beer to or from their Romford Brewery. They built a substantial bottling plant adjacent to Burton station immediately after WW2, but the company was already well on the way towards road as the primary means of movement of beer. http://breweryhistory.com/wiki/images/9/97/Ind_Coope_Bottling_1949_07.jpg There are two videos of the last day of operation of the Ind Coupe bottling plant on Youtube. Beware of the large number of Page 3 pinups in the video! Heading back to the pre-group era, here are just some easily available labels found online give an idea of the variety of locations where Bass was bottled. Some of this will be for reasons of practicality, some might well be part of the Bass free trade principles, creating agreement with local brewers to bottle and supply beer into their pubs. Again, the assumption would be that the local agency offices would control this operation, beer bottled and then either distributed by the smaller companies, or returned to the ale stores for supply to clubs, sports facilities, off licences etc (one double - bah!) Following the pivot to road transport and closure of the Bass internal rail network in the mid 1960s, the trends had already moved towards kegged and canned beers and Bass Charrington (as it was at the time) looked to build a new facility in Runcorn to handle bottling and canning, so again, no large scale bottling plant in Burton for Bass. This is from a order form that was on ebay (hence just the snip) from Bass' Liverpool agency office, July 1901 for a single barrel of Bass ordered by Yate's Castle Brewery in Birkenhead. Casks charged for if not returned. The address at the top is for the agency office at 17 Fenwick Street, which is still there, a very handsome building, as shown below at approximately the same time as the order, along with a few more examples of Bass' ale stores. (from "A Visit to Bass' Brewery Burton-on-Trent, published 1902, republished by the Bass Museum 1977) Just so there's a little balance, here's an brief article on another substantial ale store, this time Salt's alongside St Pancras.

I have been trying to gently introduce that the rather romantised idea of every village in the nation getting direct deliveries from Burton by the wagonload is perhaps less likely than one would like for a model railway. Just to show how big loan-tie agreements were. 1895 - Bass Loans to publicans and others: £554,957

A lot to look at - more comprehensive reply on other bits when I have time - It's Friday evening, so it will soon be time to go to the pub. Or two pubs. Three perhaps. Starting points - This is railway-centric point A to B thinking and not brewery business thinking. I will remind the thread once more that Bass, as the largest brewer by far in Burton, used agency offices to manage trade areas around the country. Sorry to bang the drum about this again. By the late 1800s Bass sales were split "...approximately 25 per cent going to the London Market, 18 per cent exported in bulk or bottle form, 22 per cent distributed by the Burton office and the remain 35 per cent sold by other agencies"- The Greatest Brewery in The World A History of Bass, Ratcliff and Gretton, Owen, pg78/9. In this theoretical case the nearest agency office would be Southampton (or Bristol) and orders would mostly likely be placed through the agency office. I would think it likely casks were dispatched from Burton to a larger ale store and then managed by the local agencies as required - it may also be the case empties were returned via the same means. How this actually worked is a research project for the future for someone (and probably not me!). Ale store at Newcastle provided for example. As you can see, rather substantial! Bass as a company was firm believer in the idea of free trade and was late to the game of buying public houses to tie them to the brewery. One of the cornerstones of the regional agencies appears to be through the use of contracts, tying a licencee in with a trade discount, but also often providing the same publician with a loan to allow purchase the lease for the pub. This seems to have led to many shared houses, getting product into more locations around the country with lower risk than large scale property investments. The agencies also managed getting Bass beers into off-licences, restuarants, ties with shipping lines and so on. Again, our theoretical publican in Salisbury might well have a contract with a local brewery as well as Bass to provide a premium/fashionable product to draw the punters. Bass was often sold significantly higher price than local ales (around 50% higher - ibid pg 123), so likely to help with our man's cash flow over the bar. A reasonable proportion of this will need to be bottled, as that was the growing fashion in the late 19th century, again likely bottled locally in Southampton and managed by the Agency. We will return to bottling in the near future. As an aside, I found out that the bottled Bass currently available is being produced in the Stella plant near Preston 😑. Remember when Stella was marketed as a premium product? Round and round we go....

The 'shorter' domes are only on the larger 1134As as they are substantially larger locos with bigger boilers and tanks. K's got this wrong in 4mm and provided a short dome for the smaller classes.

Right way around

No end doors and replated would be my guess - you can see a similar level cut between the side doors on the left hand side.

Yes, they measured 41523, with only 41518 at Staveley the other late survivor of the 1142s. Again, there appear to be some problems with the RM drawing (cab windows too low for one) that rear up when you use the drawing alone and not cross reference against photos. I suspect this was the same time that the measurements of 41516 were made that ended up being the basis of the K's kit, and perhaps a few of the errors snuck across then (too small a dome and wheelbase of the larger class). Here's an old picture of Dad's scratchbuilt 41523 which must be coming up for it's 40th birthday.

Both K's. CORAL as per the kit, the LOWMAC has been modified but the destinctive floorplate and angled ends are the same. The same LMS/LNER LOWMAC as currently in the works by Rapido. From the box of future projects: Parts (two floors shown):

There isn't a 'grand vision' set out in Vol1 - These really are illustrated versions of the wagons lists at core, with photos predominately from the author and those others recording wagons in the 1960s and early 1970s (I'm also assuming a medium pool of sources where gaining publishing rights for photos would still make the book viable and not overly complicated). It's not overly suprising that anything withdrawn pre-1955 isn't as well documented in the books, as it would be a much more difficult task rather than work through the 'easier' big four fleets, especially as many of the lists concern what could be/was retrofitted with vacuum brakes as part of the Modernisation plan.