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It is not about being more important than anyone else it is about being equal. If I am driving a slower vehicle, as I often am as I tow a lot, I always consider the amount of delay I may cause to following drivers if I attempt to overtake - particularly compared to the amount of time I will save, even when I am in an extreme hurry. If I can drive considerately under the those circumstances then so can they.

I so no reason not to believe that the fact that they are impatient enough to undertake such a pointless overtake would point to them being any less impatient in a car...

I know which I am leaning towards.

A very apt response.

Last thread that a Canadian model appeared in I think it was made by Rapido. Still made me smile though!

It would seem that you don't understand electrics capabilities all that well. With freight, tractive effort is king, not power. A diesel may be less powerful, but it can get all of its power down on the rail from about ten mphish upwards. With a lightweight electric on only four axles, particularly an older one with tap-changer control, give it full power at anything less than about 50-60mph and even on a dry rail you will get wheelspin. That is why you often find electrics having to double head freightliners that a diesel could shift single handed. The exception to this of course is the 92 - heavy as a diesel and with six axles there is nothing it can't pull. It is essentially two electric locos on one chassis - it's tractive effort has to be electronically limited in order to avoid breaking couplings, and with its high power and almost 90mph top speed is absolutely perfect for lifting either heavy freights or intermodals over Shap etc.

I would expect that the worse the aerodynamics are, the greater the savings to be made by slowing down as the more substantial the reduction in drag would be. with something like a huge vertical brick just knocking a couple of MPH off the speed will likely make a very noticeable difference.

Most motorways and dual carriageways where the speed limit is 70mph? Other than at pinch points near busy junctions the traffic is usually heavy and doing 60-70mph, as opposed to the 80mph+ people tend to do outside rush hour. Get two lorries blocking a dual lane road and the traffic can bunch up enough to bring some of it almost to a standstill. This video explains - and demonstrates albeit at lower speed for experimental purposes - how any disruption, of which two lorries overtaking at 50mph could easily be a cause, could bring traffic to a standstill and might even be the reason why traffic struggles to get above 30mph in your area! https://youtu.be/19S3OdK6710 'All it takes is someone to brake' (i.e. when coming up behind two 50mph lorries) 'and it sets it all off'

I understand this, but do lorry drivers actually realise how little time they actually save? When towing I have often been following lorries for some considerable time. When one is travelling so incrementally faster he takes over ten minutes to overtake another, managing to get maybe 1/4 of a mile ahead by the time he reaches his exit 50 miles further on - he has gained slightly over 15 seconds, compared to the cumulative hour or so added to the journeys of the dozens of vehicles stuck behind him! Not only that it probably means that he has 15 seconds longer to wait at the first set of traffic lights he encounters and ends up arriving at the same time if he had not bothered overtaking anyway!

99% of stuff I buy does not go on a slow lorry, it goes on a normal one, so I would not notice the difference!

The ones that take a few minutes are fine, however there are plenty that go on for mile after mile after mile, taking well over anything that could be described a reasonable time, let alone a few minutes.

Think it was supposed to be a design feature on the 08's too, but supposedly a pig of a job to do!

The ironic thing is that GL/RT1210 does not mandate 370mm minimum clearance anyway, giving the 'Normal' clearance as 270mm, same as it was on BR. You can read it here, top of page 12: http://www.rssb.co.uk/rgs/standards/GLRT1210%20Iss%201.pdf You can no longer use the 'Reduced' and 'Special Reduced' clearances which were only rarely needed anyway. It mentions elsewhere of 370mm providing 'basic' insulation, which many seem to have interpreted as the mandatory minimum, as it appears in the Roger Ford article. Not so.

I wonder if they de-meshed the gears on the 08? It would be a long slow journey if they didn't... Actually I wonder what the maximum permitted speed of an 08 with de-meshed gears actually is - be surprised if it was much above 40mph!

Really? Here are five recently sold sets all under £75.. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-APT-P-5-car-set-City-of-Derby-370-002-/311685968515?hash=item4891ee7283:g:JGMAAOSwawpXtg5n http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OO-Gauge-Hornby-APT-Advanced-Passenger-Train-/232086916777?hash=item3609754ea9:g:3coAAOSwYIxX3qZJ http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-OO-Gauge-APT-Advanced-Passenger-Train-/122139678835?hash=item1c70179873:g:-yYAAOSw8gVX3sm8 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-INTER-CITY-APT-/162153272444?hash=item25c116947c:g:3n4AAOSw-YVXnKRV http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-APT-5-Car-set-/142141314388?hash=item2118485554:g:C~cAAOSwzaJX94Ub The last one is missing a bogie but with this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-L5314-APT-1-2-BOGIE-2-NO-WHEELS-ADVANCED-PASSENGER-TRAIN-OO-GAUGE-/401201656003?hash=item5d697b70c3:g:4UcAAOSwPCVX9iRW still brings the total under £70, and a half bogie left spare!

The class 71 had been restored to running order already until the NRM neglected it... https://youtu.be/UdQmu2Y1N2k?t=354

Resistance is futile...

Rail have got it wrong. Goodness knows how because the dive under always has been proposed as double track, and has never been shown as single anywhere ever as far as I know!

I am sure he'll be back...

Would that be British Rail Main line Diesel Locomotives?

TBH I have never seen DELTIC quoted as being 69'6 in length, and bearing in mind I am somewhat of a Deltic enthusiast I have read most of the books and other information available besides what is found on the web. One of the more definitive Books is Brian Webbs 'Deltic locomotives of British Rail' which will have it correct, although I can't quite remember the exact figure I think it is around 67 foot something for the prototype. Edit - Just got home and checked, 67' 9 inches according to the above book, As well as 'Deltics at Work' by Allan Baker etc. etc... Going searching I did manage to find a train simulator site that had it at 69'6" but so far no where else...

Nope, production Deltics were longer than the prototype. That is why the too short lima chassis happens to be almost a perfect fit for anyone wanting a cheap way to motorise the Airfix prototype kit, albeit with the wrong bogies. However the point is moot since the Dublo model is much shorter than either of them.

I see your SD45 and raise you a Jouef Class 40. Very squashed looking and 2 powered axles out of eight...

You could always lay some third rail instead...

I think EWS took over RES workings, so they would have been used on parcel trains. That would most likely mean RES liveried GUVs and BGs, something like this: They were not used for this traffic very long as it was shortly all lost to road...