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Thanks for reintroducing the Dean 10' bogies. These are the only source of this size.

Jol There were some at the York show and I nearly bought one. Checking the specs elsewhere I think the dimensions are 14x16x20 which makes it a 1420 compared with a Mashima. The hole spacings are 11mm which I think is non-standard (and why I guess Comet need a new gearbox for it). IIRC High Level have 10mm and 8mm spacings. These specs need to be confirmed These motors should be ok for P4 as they might fit between the frames but are a bit big for most of my requirements. Peter

Guy There are plenty of examples of WCJS through carriage stock being remarshalled from a WCJS train. Daily a break composite each left Edinburgh and Glasgow bound for Exeter on the GWR and WCJS sleeping break compos ran in the opposite direction in the winter timetables. These would have been split/combined probably at Crewe with other stock including GWR through carriages (some of which also ran to Scotland and back) Peter

I have always assumed that each through carriage in pre-grouping days had its own guard. These were generally break thirds of break composites, often non-corridor, and self-contained and therefore would have needed a guard to apply the brakes every time the vehicle was marshalled. Corridors were originally introduced so that the guard could get through the train not the passengers.

Jol I think I ordered two sets of sides/ends only for the D43 Break Compos but complete kits of GWR Clerestorys. I also had sides and ends custom etched for the Hereford to Tamworth Post Office vehicle from a copy of the original plan provided by Phillip Millard. Can't remember the diagram number. He built the same vehicle and he used the Stevensons Clerestory resin roof which is also what I have planned. Alan from Worsley Works said he would have preferred to have etched the roof too though but that would have added to the cost. I may live to regret that decision. I don't have room in my fiddle yards for any of this but that's another story. Weren't you planning to make London Road a roundy? Peter PS "Coach bogie" of this parish has shown WW GWR coaches under construction in various threads on here and they seem to go together pretty well Edited to add PS

Guy I don't have a definitive answer but I raised a similar question a while back about the staff on through dining vehicles for example those running between Liverpool and Plymouth that overnighted at either end. The answer was that it was likely that the staff would remain on the vehicle and be put up in digs. There were such establishments provided for the use of railway staff. So GWR dining car staff would have been accommodated in Liverpool and vice versa. Guards may have been treated the same or differently. The same situation would have arisen at Carlisle when the WCJS break vehicles were handed over to the Caledonian. In this instance, guards at both ends would be familiar with the "joint" vehicles however, would an LBSC guard be OK on an LNWR vehicle? Presumably knowledge of the route, the stations and the breaking systems would be a requirement so I would have thought that the guards changed over. That's my tuppence worth. Peter

Worsley Works also have 4mm LNWR Arc roof corridor stock. I have a couple of these i.e the D43 I think Arc Roof Brake Third Corridor D71 42' Brake Third Corridor D66 50' Brake First Corridor D19 50' First Corridor D15 50' Arc Roof - WCJS Corridor Composite D31 45' Brake Composite Corridor D43 45' Corridor Third D53 45'

I have a list but I am not too sure how current it is. Of interest might be: WCJS/LNWR D54 42' Compo Corridor WCJS/LNWR D68 42' Break Third Some of these, or similar, could be available from LRM also. Everything else is older types apart from the vans mentioned by Jol.

I have no idea either. It was attached to the 7:02 at Woofferton. I model the North to West line so it had to have run down this line to get to Woofferton unless it was stabled there overnight. It arrived at Woofferton off the 18:38 the night before. It does not appear anywhere else in the carriage diagrams. For me this is relevant as I am currently modelling the rest of the train (GW Circuit Train) that made up the 7:02 which started out at Leominster at 6:40; if it was already attached at Leominster that would give me a good excuse to model the LNWR through compo also. Many weeks have gone by since I started making this particular train of course.

I have long wondered what happened to this coach once it got to Woofferton; where was it kept overnight? It was attached to the GWR branch train on the Bewdley line on it's way to and from Birmingham. How did it get to Woofferton?

Stevensons carriages are still available in the hands of Paul Barker IIRC. He attends a number of shows under the name Stevensons Carriages but does not have an internet presence. The shows are mainly in the North/Midlands. I'm not too sure how many corridor arc coaches he has but there is always the Ratio LNWR offering. Peter

Jol You do yourself a disservice. An "average" modeller cannot produce work of this quality and also produce articles about it in the modelling press that we all follow with enthusiasm. Plus design etched kits too! Your work is first class and truly an inspiration. Cheers Peter

Thanks LaScala for the reply. Your build looks excellent and inspirational. Good to see another one completed. Mine will be in an earlier condition than yours with the Wolverhampton valance style, open cab and "armchair" bunker. I did email David Geen some time ago but have not had a reply yet. PM me when you've had a chance to scan the page and I'll send you my email address. Cheers Peter

Hi John Good to see an LNWR workbench. The paint work on the 50ft coach looks superb which is a real challenge. Is that a 6wheel PBV in the background too? I've been tinkering with a DX Special Goods for five years now and also have a Jumbo and Whitworth on the todo list. All also from LRM Cheers Peter

Hi All Hopefully someone can help. I bought a 517 kit from David Geen at Scalefour North but page 14 in the instructions is missing. I have two of the preceding page entitled "The Superstructure" but not the following page which should be number 14. Can someone send me a copy? I think the 4mm and 7mm instructions are the same so either will do. Thanks Cheers Peter

Thanks Larry, I now have a fighting chance of completing this kit. Peter

I've checked my more recent kit and it does indeed have an extruded aluminium roof though the instructions refer to a wooden one!

Jol I bought one of these when 247 Developments were still doing kits. The origins of which are probably Modellers World. Will have to check the roof at some point. I've also got hold of the Masokits bogies; another one on the todo list. Cheers Peter

Hi John Thanks for the interest. I gave myself a week off last Summer to complete and ballast the track but it took the week just to fully wire up, make functional and fine-tune all the point work. I don't want to ballast until everything works. I ran out of time. So visually there is nothing different to see at the moment. I am now in the chicken and egg situation of having no stock to test the track work and no track work to layout-test stock so I have been focussing on making the stock which is taking longer than I imagined. From memory, in Templot I set the start of the transition curve radius at 0 (which is where the fiddle yard enters the station end; so on a straight road) the final radius I think i set at the metric equivalent of 5 feet. Templot then sets the transition. I can't remember whether I calculated the length at 3.2m or whether that's just where the curve reached 90 degrees on the plan. You can read that I added another infill board to straighten the road again so that it can enter the other fiddle yard on a straight road. The overall length of the track thus is about 3.5m which is not particularly long but it was a very compact station. Another member of RMWeb very kindly surveyed and drew the station building for me so I have a plan to build that but stock is the priority at the moment. The layout does run from one fiddle yard to the other with my ancient Wills 1854 Pannier Tank built over 35 years ago. On the workbench at the moment is a Malcolm Mitchell 517 tank which will pull a rake of 4 wheelers for which 2 of the 4 chassis are built; all of course in P4. I also have some Dean Goods in the works and next up will be an old George Norton LNWR Cauliflower with an appropriate LNWR goods train behind it. My kits for this project include a Bill Bedford D32 van which I acquired at Scalefour North recently. Cheers Peter

Hi Jol Good to see the Precursor finished - your thread inspired me to get hold of a kit myself (still not started though!) I see that you have elected for the later brake blocks on the coal tank. Is there a reason why you did not go for the wooden brake blocks? My reason for asking is that I have found these very fiddly to put together and wondered if you had the same challenge? Cheers Peter

Hi Mikkel Yes that's the layout. Having check the link I must have seen it at ScalefourNorth 2014. Very impressive Peter

There is an LBSC model of just such a location on the exhibition circuit but I cannot recall the name; i saw it last year and was impressed

I bought a pen two years ago. They emailed an invoice which gave the details as to how to pay via bank and via PayPal which I did. That was of course before Brexit so not sure what the implications of that might be.

Excellent build of an interesting vehicle Jazz as always but just an observation; not many LNWR D385 PBVs had torpedo vents as they were deemed unnecessary.

I believe whoever holds the rights to these wants too much for them