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Last night while looking for info in Great Yarmouth's quayside tramways I came across these little beauties. The photo is dated 1908 which makes it one year before it was bought out by the GCR Photos of LD&ECR stock are very rare. I was under the impression that the LD&ECR’s rolling stock was fairly modern. 3, 5 and 6 plank opens on steel underframes, as well as RCH 7plk on hire. The LD&ECR did have two different wagon liveries one for owned stock where all the letters were straight and parallel. The second for hired stock where the letters sloped. Both being show in LNER wagons Vol.1. What I think I have identified is:- 1) 4plk dead buffers (on Hire) might have an end door looking at where the lettering starts and stops 2) 4/5plk with a raised end at the closest end and a door on the other (owned?) 3) Open (possibly owned by CWS (coop wholesale) but it could be GNS (Great North of Scotland) and in that case it opens more questions. 4) Some sort of Lime wagon. What do people think?

The hopper with just the plate to ID is probably an early Stockton and Darlington/NER P5 hopper. I was chatting about one of these wagons at EMGS Summer. It turns out the P5 has 3 build stages Dead buffered as shown, dead buffer drilled out so a sprung buffer head can pass through them and finally a sprung buffer with a cast iron guide. The early ones were sold off by the NER as they were replaced with newer wagon.

Having gone through everything I have on the W&U I can't see any evidence of catch points. It's very possible that there lack is down to it being a tramway and not a "railway". Marc

What a fantastic photo . Just what the doctor ordered for my my S7 micro th under construction.

When is spoke with some of the committee they were more than happy with the turnout. Marc

It was great to see the layout in the flesh this weekend, the EMGS Summer show Wakefield. It's given me food for thought and really tempted me by S scale. Marc

I will have the first of my new 4mm coach kits. 12 to start with. 1) LSWR 28ft all 3rd 2) LSWR 28ft all 1st 3) LSWR 28ft brake 3rd (2 compartment) 4) LSWR 28ft brake 3rd (3 compartment) 5) Ashbury (Furness/Cambrian) Brake 3rd 6) Ashbury ( Furness/Cambrian) 1st-3rd composite 7) Metropolitan carriage and wagon (Furness/Cambrian/LSWR/LNWR/NBR) all 3rd 8) Metropolitan carriage and wagon (Furness/Cambrian/LNWR/NBR) Luggage 3rd 9) Metropolitan carriage and wagon (Furness/Cambrian/LNWR/NBR) brake 3rd 10) Highland/ Caledonian/North Sunderland 1st-2nd composite 11) Highland/Caledonian/North Sunderland 2nd-3rd composite 12) Highland/Caledonian/North Sunderland all 3rd The are all £50 and need wheels and couplings to complete. Marc Pre-Grouping Railways

I can't get the link to work. Anyone else in the same place?

Never thought of the drier tiles. The ones that I was standing were terracotta. And clay slurry pipelines at the time we're glazed stoneware pipes so it makes perfect sense for a Candy wagon to be at any Wharf in the area.

It could be. They manufactured stuff that might need China Clay and not just ball clay so it would be possible they were there to collect a load of clay or alternatively drop off pipes etc. Makes an interesting addition to the PO wagons in Cornwall. Marc

I was at Wheal Martyn China Clay museum this afternoon and noticed a photo of some wagons in Nanpean Wharf that hadn't registered before even though I have a few copies in various books. Does anyone know what they are? They both look like they are loaded with coal rather than Clay. They also have doors in the sides and ends. The photo is post 1905 and pre WW1. There was a third wagon which has a PO livery which I can't quite workout. Any suggestions? Marc

Shame it's gone a bit GWR.

Does this include the ones with the raised ends?

As a matter of passing interest what happen to the S&DJR 5plank opens that found their way to the midland? As they didn't have the bottom doors and were slightly thinner were they lumped into the D299 pot or treat as a separate diagram?

They will be available as kit in 7mm from Pre-Grouping Railways, and they will come with axle guards, boxes, brakes and buffers. The GNR(I) wagons are available in 4mm from provincial wagons. Not sure what I'm going to do with the DNGR wagons in 4mm yet. Marc

Ok I was hoping it would be offering something new!

For those of us who are not members can you give us a synopsis?

These made.me.chuckle. Look what you could have won! Now take it away!

There is a picture of a late M&C cattle van along with a drawing in the HMRS archive. But as for the early vans no a lot of info out there I have a drawing for a brake van, backed up with a photo and the same with a box van. Marc

Is there an unclipped version of the photo. Only as as I think the van on the left might be a maryort and Carlisle. Marc

As an alumni of the school of mines this subject is close to my heart. There was a great book published on the tramway a few years back. Marc

If your having problems with the website you could message @steamale as Phil is usually one here most days. Marc

Yes it is. I have three micro layouts under development one in P4, one in S7(33mm) and one in S7(I)(36.75mm). The S7 one is up first. It is a bear baseboard at the moment with some of the rail down. It has to be ready for mid October. So no pressure there then. Marc

The Furness and the Cambrian wagons were exactly the same size at 1ft6 high(from the floor), LNWR were 1ft10, as was the GWR. Marc

Most of the cambrian's wagon stock was 2 planks both fixed side and drop side and they were used to move slate. The Furness two planks has an extrodany long life in traffic but ths was only because they were the only wagons that could be loaded at the slate wharf at Kirkby. The last ones only being sold out of service, to BHSC, in the late 1950's when the slate wharf whent out of use. Is the key to two plank wagon Roofing Slate? LNWR used them in North Wales, as did the Cambrian and the GWR. Furness used them at Kirkby and Coniston and the Cally at Ballachulish. The only place I can't think that extracted slate and had a mainline railway conection but didn't use two plank wagons was Delabole Slate Quarry in Cornwall which was connected to the LSWR who used 1 plank with 12 in sides or 3plk drop side wagons. Marc