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Yes, you are correct, the kilns were just off the photo to the right - location shown by the red arrow on the plan below There were two old PO wagons, the one next to OLWEN was a 5 plank with slightly raised ends, no lettering visible and the door propped open in the horizontal position. The second was a 4 plank with Minera Lime Co. still visible, which I photographed. The line in front of OLWEN was still in use to access the second wagon loading bunker, the first being shown on the above plan.

OLWEN still retained the lower set of buffers in 1958, but these had been removed when I saw it in 1964. It was scrapped shortly after. 5050 - If you're considering a model of OLWEN at any time, I sold a collection of plates for a friend some time ago and this included a nameplate and works plate from OLWEN. I didn't photograph them unfortunately but i do have their overall dimensions if that would help.

Thanks for the information. It would help in future if you could indicate the source of images which are not your own, so that other members can investigate the original source - there may be other similar images to view or additional information which would be of interest. Thanks.

I hope you don't mind me asking, but what is the source of the two Beyer Peacock works photos - I would be interested to know if there are any similar photos from the same source. Thanks

I wasn't going to replace the pipework and rodding between the tank and the footplate, but............ For those that might worry about such things the water valves were not handed and the operating lever was on the right side. Thus the rod connecting the valve to the cab was outside the tank support (adjacent to the cab) on the right hand side and behind the support on the left hand side.

Lamp Irons were added front and rear:- These were simply made from brass strip and wire - 1. Drill two holes in strip 2. Bend strip as shown 3. Insert wire bent in 'U' shape into holes and clamp strip at 'B' with spring clip to close joint at 'A' 4. Silver solder at 3 points shown in red 5. Cut off excess material as required for final shape

Cab detail ready to go back, coal will be added to bunker top and bottom when its back in. There should of course be more pipework on top of the firebox but the manifold is fairly delicate and I wouldn't want to drill any more holes in it !

Bunker and sandboxes temporarily bolted into place before painting - to make sure it all goes back in the cab OK. Some adjustment may be needed when its finally fixed to get the sandboxes tight into the front corners.

If you look at my ICI thread here:- http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/72947-ici-buxton-tunstead-etc-railways-in-the-1960s/ Post #7 includes photos of Briggs Sidings I don't think there was a weighbridge here at the ICI sidings. The 1972 1/2500 OS map shows the weighbridge at Dowlow Quarry just south of Briggs Sidings but nothing at the ICI sidings.

The sandboxes are just brass blocks machined to size with the corners rounded off and two holes - a 2mm dia. for the lid and a 0.7mm dia. for the operating lever Lids made as follows 1. Turn 6mm dia. brass bar 2mm dia x 4mm long and 4.5mm dia x 2mm long. Check 2mm spigot is easy fit in 2mm dia hole. Cut off as shown. 2. Mount 2mm spigot in lathe chuck, face off top of lid and drill 3mm dia as shown 3. Cut a slot across the top with a piercing saw 4. File a brass strip with a slight taper so the thin side just goes in the slot then force it in - it needs to be a very tight fit. 5. Trim off the excess brass strip each side, replace in lathe and very gently turn down to required size This should be the final result - its a lot easier when you can take the cab roof off !

Peckett 1465 was ex works on 5/3/1917 and despatched to EVSIC, Ebbw Vale Works, named SIR CHARLES ALLEN and with the fleet number 31. It passed to PJ&JP at Marine Colliery, Cwm in 10/1936 so possibly transferred there from Ebbw Vale before 1929. It was still at Marine Colliery at Nationalisation and remained there with a couple of visits to Tredegar Central Workshops until transferred to Hafodyrynys in 1969. However shortly before that transfer it was rebuilt at Marine Colliery with parts of Peckett 1524 and Ebbw Vale 2.

The title of this thread may seem a little vague, you may wonder where its going (so do I !), but probably guess that its prompted by the acquisition of a Minerva Peckett. A title of "modifying a Minerva Peckett" is probably a bit too ambitious for what I have in mind at this stage and "adding a bit of extra detail to a Minerva Peckett" doesn't sound very inspiring. One of the great things about RMweb is that its so easy to post stuff - and its also easy to delete stuff if there is little interest, so we'll see how it goes. I bought the Peckett some time ago, how could I resist, a ready to run industrial in 0 Scale - stick a decoder in, plonk it on the track, job done. Unfortunately it didn't quite work that way and initially it ran with a distinct "waddle" more like the motion of a duck than a steam loco. This was due to an out of true wheelset and after contacting Minerva they supplied a new wheelset which seemed to cure the problem. However other problems later developed so I eventually contacted Minerva again and they supplied me with a replacement chassis. This now seems to have solved the problems. I must commend Minerva for excellent after sales service and they really do seem very concerned that their customers get satisfaction from their products. Now the loco is operating satisfactorily the question was what to do with it. My layout is based on the NCB in South Lancashire, an area devoid of 'E's so it would not be based on a particular prototype. The NCB inherited 6 Class E locos in South Wales plus a similar loco built by Ebbw Vale and acquired two more secondhand, the NCB in Yorkshire had 2 and there was another 1 in Durham - making a total of 12. The model is quite well detailed, but one area I thought could be improved was the inside of the cab. The first item added was the missing reversing lever using Laurie Griffin casting No.23-005, not exactly right but the nearest I could find to the prototype. Pipework was added from the manifold to the injector and brake cylinder on the right hand side of the firebox and injector and blower on the left side. A new coal bunker will be added on the left hand side and the backplate has been drilled for the new water gauges which will be added after painting, and losing the red ! New rear sandboxes have been made for fitting in the front corners of the cab at waist height. tbc

So, maybe off to green fields (hint) and pastures new ?

An excellent choice I think, look forward to your build.

STAMFORD 0-6-0ST AE 1972/27 New to Pilton Quarry, now at the Rutland Railway Museum - perchance ????

35 years old and only one owner from new (me !)

David is spot on - do as much as you can in the lathe, getting the fore and aft parts of the flare to the correct profile. Then file the right and left sides to the correct shape and matching (not as straight lines shown in the second photo, that's only diagrammatic !) and then blend the fore/aft and right/left curves together. While you're set up for turning its sometimes useful to do a spare just in case you don't get the filing right first time (hence the spare unfinished chimney)

Andrew Barclay 1950 of 1928 at the Ribble Steam Railway, Preston

Andrew Barclay 1562 of 1917 at the Chasewater Railway in 1967. ex W.M.Crawford & Sons Ltd. Liverpool (the biscuit makers) for "preservation", but it was scrapped in 1973. (Nice to see that the Ayrshire Group have restored theirs into working order) Andrew Barclay 1548 of 1917 at Burmah Oil Trading Ltd., Stanlow in June 1971. It was scrapped shortly after. The following three photos were taken slightly earlier and are from very 'grainy' negatives. However they do show other views which might be useful and a side on elevation. Note this loco had wooden brake shoes. Unfortunately some idiot has parked their Cortina GT behind the loco so that it clashes with the front of the frames in this view ! Oh - hang on, what was I driving then ?

Yes, the first photo is Works No.4623 at N.C.B. Llay Main Workshops, near Wrexham. The view is roughly south east with the main part of the workshops off the photo to the right. The wagons in the left distance are on the sidings at the tail end of Llay Main Colliery yard. The loco was originally supplied new to Point of Ayr Colliery and it was scrapped in 1970. The Pen-y-Bont loco was probably scrapped in early 1961. I have a photo of it (not mine) taken in December 1960 and it had disappeared by May the following year. I didn't visit the site until 1963 by which time all machinery, track, etc had been removed leaving just the empty buildings and the massive claypit. It was situated in a loop of the River Dee, surrounded by the river on three sides and has since been used as a landfill site. At the entrance to the site is a small brick building with a conical tapered roof which is the only remaining building of the old brickworks. At that point the works siding crossed the road and ran alongside it to join the GWR Shrewsbury to Chester Line.

I didn't realise until I started looking into the history of this loco that I had photographed it in 1965 at Holderness Limeworks, Peak Forest, in much better external condition than the previous photo - I should have posted these instead. Works No.5765 of 1959 at S.Taylor Frith & Co.Ltd., Holderness Limeworks in 1965 It was indeed painted red, with black frames and cab doors, yellow/black buffer beams Supplied new to Holderness, it was transferred to Hindlow c1972, then to Peak Rail in 1988. It left Peak Rail in 1991 for an unknown destination and is not listed in any later Industrial Railway Society Handbook EL - which lists all known industrial, preserved and minor railway locomotives in the British Isles (the latest edition I have is 2009). So in theory that leaves only three possibilities - it was scrapped, its stored at some unknown private location or it was exported.

In retrospect I think I have gone a bit over the top with the photos and posted too many similar views of the same loco, so I've deleted some of the surplus photos. Interest seems to be tailing off anyway. These are the final two: Works No.4623 of 1932 at N.C.B. Llay Main Workshops, near Wrexham in 1966 Painted light green; black roof; green wheels with red tyres; red buffer beams Works No.5765 of 1959 at Staveley Lime Products, Beswicks Limeworks, Hindlow in 1977 Painted red (I think - barely visible under the lime dust)

DERBYSHIRE STONE No.3 Works No.3980 of 1936 at Rise Hill Quarry, Middleton in May 1967 with the similar Hibberd loco DERBYSHIRE STONE No 2 Works No.1891 of 1934. The quarry was connected to the BR Cromford & High Peak Line at Steeplehouse and rail traffic had ceased two months before with closure of the BR line. Part of the route of the quarry branch is now occupied by the 18" gauge Steeple Grange Light Railway. MR 3980 was transferred to Cawdor Quarry, Matlock where it was photographed in 1968, showing the opposite side from the previous photo although unfortunately the roof rather blends in with the structure behind. FH 1891 was later at Wirksworth Quarry, photographed in 1970 and looking quite respectable painted green with black frames, buffer beams and running gear.

Re Lowestoft Sleeper Depot - I'll keep this brief as we are probably wandering off topic (narrow gauge !) The NGRS Magazine THE NARROW GAUGE No.103 (Summer 1984) included a 3 page article on the narrow gauge system by Chris Fisher with a plan of the depot and a photo of MR 1905. I can't post it here for copyright reasons but I've scanned the photo and I'll send it direct to you Mike as a PM. Magazine No.123 (Summer 1989) had details of the Ruston's history after it left the depot and a photo of it in a scrapyard. Back on topic - the standard gauge loco Motorail Works No.1931 of 1919 was apparently numbered 1, presumably then becoming LNER No.1 so there might be details of it in the publication "Locomotives of the LNER". It was replaced at the depot by a Sentinel steam loco but survived to become BR 15098,

The loco was numbered 2 and named BILLY, a petrol Simplex Works No.1905 and supplied new to the Great Eastern Railway for use at the depot in 1920. It was scrapped when the depot closed in 1964. There was a standard gauge Simplex supplied at about the same time numbered 1. This info is from the IRS East Anglia Handbook and it gives references to two articles in the Narrow Gauge Railway Society's magazine. I'll look them up and let you know if they include any photos of the loco.