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Good job he doesn't have to jack it up to get the tyres off!

I don't think it would have looked like that in 1914... Just had another look at the picture - has the ganger on the left has been shopping in his their lunch break? (Edit for political correctness...)

*Morecambe ... (as in 'Bring Me Sunshine)

Weren't the BR Standard 9F 2-10-0, originally planned to be a 2-8-2 with larger driving wheels? I ask this because one of the other members of the MRC has a model of one... I'll try get a picture next time he brings it to a running night...

Re. C2585 - I wonder why there wasn't more complaints from the SR about a lack of Parcels vehicles (until they got a supply of Mark 1 CCTs and BGs) - all their stock was elsewhere in the country!

My first guess was 'don't take coal out of this wagon on Saturdays'...

...and well deserved that award is. There were some good layouts at the Sedgemoor show, but Hobbiton End was a standout IMHO.

The picture of the Clacton Express units remind me of the period I was studying at the University of Essex - Colchester North to London several times a term to enjoy nights out in the city...

The term I heard the most around Bristol was 'Fart-boxes' - owing to the distinctive noise of the exhausts vibrating while accelerating struggling out of the station...

Another few SR Vans 'under the wires' there...

This would make sense. The two major (British outline) players in 'OO' are Bachmann and Hornby; the two in N are Dapol and Farish. If Bachmann/Farish are producing models in either scale chances are they will appear in the other in due course. Which leaves Dapol in N with the models they aren't producing, which will tend to be those that Hornby are producing in OO...

Well, I had a reply to my post on the Dapol Facebook page: 1) 'Set 450' is cancelled as they are not doing R1 stock. 2) Subject to WiP and factory space, etc, they will be producing at some point the Diagram 2101 4-compartment BTK and the matching Diagram 2401 BCK. He shoots, he scores!!

The two inner compartments on the BCK are 10.75" wider than the other four, resulting in a brake compartment 21.5" shorter. In N scale thats about 1.8mm and 3.6mm - noticeable? I wouldn't wear it...

Question asked on Dapol Facebook page...

The WoE sets had the earlier diagram 2101 four-compartment brakes, so not even those.

Maunsell Low Window Restriction 4 in Southern Lined Olive Green - applicable period 1925-1938. Per Gould and King: Diagram 2001 eight-compartment Third: numbers 769-778 (built Eastleigh 7/27-8/27), 783-832 (Eastleigh/BRCW/Metropolitan 3/28-7/28), 2349-55 (Ashford/Eastleigh 12/26-6/27). D.2102 six-compartment Third Brake: nos. 4048-4051 (Eastleigh 12/26-2/27). D.2301 seven-compartment (1st/3rd) Composite: nos. 5137-5146 (Eastleigh 7/26-10/26), 5147-5150 (Metropolitan 8/28-9/28). D.2501 seven-compartment First: nos. 7208-7227 (Eastleigh/Midland 6/27-11/27), 7665-7674 (Ashford/Eastleigh 12/26-3/27). Of the above, the following were formed in sets, created from new unless otherwise noted: CKs 5137-5146 were formed into 3-sets 390-399, the other vehicles being a pair of D.2101 four-compartment Third Brakes (in the 3214-3233 number range). CKs 5147-5150 were formed into 3-sets 445-448, the other vehicles being a pair of D.2101 four-compartment Third Brakes (in the 4063-4066 number range). FKs 7218 and 7219 were formed in sets 206 and 207 in 1931; 7211-7213, 7215, 7225, 7230-7231 and 7675-7676 were formed in sets 244-247, 430, 329-330 and 241-242 in 1933; 7216 and 7222 were formed in sets 248 and 327 in 1936. All these 'new' sets were otherwise formed of high-window stock. 7227 was condemned with fire damage, 8/36. Set 469 (London-Worthing service): formation BTK-TK-TK-FK-FK-FK-TK-BTK, using 4048/2351/2350/7667/7665/7666/2349/4049. Set 470 (London-Eastbourne service until 1928, then Worthing): formation BTK-TK-FK-FK-FK-FK-TK-BTK, using 4050/2355/7674/7673/7672/7671/2354/4051. 469 was reduced to 6-cars in 1933, 7666 (to loose) and 7667 (to set 430) being removed; 4049 was replaced by 2789 (a D.2113 high-window 1935 stock BTK) in 1945 due to war damage. 470 was reduced to 3-cars in 1933, all of the TKs and FKs (all to loose) being replaced by 5656 (a D.2301 high-window 1929 stock CK). 7672 and 7674 were formed in sets 202 and 250 in 1936. The only complete sets we can compile from the stock that Dapol are producing are 469/470, in their initial formations, and only 469 after 1933 until 1944. Anyone care to speak with Dapol?

Also the local routes between Tunbridge Wells and the Sussex Coast. By the time the Kent Coast electrifications were in full swing the displaced Maunsell stock on the mainline services were in turn condemning the Birdcage stock to the mercy of the scrapyard...

Having seen the EP pictures in the Dapol Catalogue scan linked above, they certainly look like R4 stock. Which begs the question as to whether the 'Set 450' will be made out of this stock or some proper R1 stock. If not the latter, a certain establishment will receiving a cancellation of a certain pre-order...

Strange - That CAD is for an R4 brake. I have seen a CAD for a R1 type brake elsewhere and when I went to look for it again it had disappeared. I could have sworn the 'Set' was listed on the Dapol 'Launches' page for the Maunsells, it is not there. From what is listed there now, they are producing two each of 6-compt 3rd brake, third, first and composite. If they are R4 low-window stock then in SR days these were all loose stock apart from the third brakes (all 4 of them), 5 thirds and 7 firsts that were made up into Central Section sets 469 and 470. There must be EP samples around as they are in 'In decoration sample' stage. Has any one any pictures of the EPs so we can put this discussion to bed once and for all? If Dapol are producing R4 stock then the set that certain retailers are advertising will be well wrong...

Yes, the Dapol stock is R1. The brake vehicle on the CADs does not have the flattened section where the luggage and guard's comparments are.

The Birdcage coaches are fully (relief) panelled, and the brake vehicles have a glazed raised roof section at one end. All this added detail (which is not 'extra' or 'super' detail) does make the model more complex than the panel sided Maunsells, Bulleids and Mark 1s. Whether that extra detail is worth 40%-odd extra purchase cost will be borne out when the product actually appears in the flesh for us to make that judgement.

More likely with a 'P' or an 'H' (SECR versions of those locos)... Strangely the SEMG 'Sets' spreadsheet doesn't seem to include the Birdcage trios (just the P-P sets converted from some of them), unless I've missed them somehow. If Birdcage sets were transferred to the Central or South-West sections under SR or BR then it would be possible that an 'M7' might have hauled them. A Terrier is more unlikely as by SR days the receeding quantity of them still in SR service were more Pull-Push or shunting locos.

A point I did concede with my comment, but as the Birdcage stock and 'N' class were around concurrently in SECR days it was possible for such a train to exist in that formation at that time.

Third photo down: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/69174-farish-announcements-20134/# Not a 'pre-grouping train', but within the realms of possibility...

If you put a model weathered to that extent on your layout no-one would believe it...