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More likely to be signal red. David

Excellent piece of work on an unknown branch ( to me ), hopefully people will post more photos. David

Osgood , thanks for finding those photos, I have put in bids for all of them! Obvious typo in my posting about Rawnsley, should be 1873 not 1973!

I know that 45704 had a fowler tender in 1962/3 and was the last Jubilee to have one of these tenders. I have plenty of photos of the loco in 1963/4 but I dont have any with it carrying a yellow warning strip post September 1964. My question is did it still have the fowler tender when it was withdrawn in 1965? This photo was taken in April 1964. David

kelly, excellent, thanks for confirming that. If anyone needs someone to measure up any bits for a proposed kit then I am your man! For completeness photos of the other side. And a photo of the chimmney mounted lubricator. . David

My vote in 4mm went for the barcley 0-4-0t as these were a common loco. The RTR manufacturers want to maximise sales and liveries for any proposed Industrial loco and the large number of Barcleys would give them that. Picking a rare or unusual loco is really where the kit manufacturers fit in. This is the loco I want! David

managed to miss out of my post the Dubs crane tank. Also Bellerophon

I went yesterday and had a really good time. Its worth the walk from the station (Dillhorn) down to the colliery site, about 10 to 15 minute each way, this is the first time I have walked down and watching a double headed train thrashing up the bank was glorious! Found a number of engines in the sidings there ready to blast up Foxfield bank with a freight train. The Dubs crane tank looked superb. A really good day and excellent work by the volunteers. Only one criticism, the catering at the main station was chaotic, I qued for 20 minutes and finally gave up. The problem being all meals were being cooked to order with limited staff. Catering can often provide good profit margins at preserved sitesk, Foxfield need to think about ways of increasing its food throughput.

As I have not posted on this thread for some time I thought it was about time I remidied that! Not only did the Lilleshall Co build locomotives for itself, it al;so built locomotives for sale, not in large numbers but enough. They seem to have beem well built as 3 locos provided to Rawnsley and Cannock Wood collieries lasted untill the early 1960s. Marquis was built in 1867 and was delivered new to Cannock and Rugeley Collieries, Rawnsley. It moved to Grove Colliery Little Wyrley before being withdrawn in April 1963 and was cut up on site in May 1964. A second loco delivered was Anglesey built in 1868 and again delivered to Cannock and Rugeley Collierys, Rawnsleyt. Scrapped at Cannock Wood Colliery in March 1962.k Note the different wheels and the different cab height. A third loco Rawnsley was built in 1973 and again delivered to Cannock and Rugeley Colliery and was scrapped at Cannock Wood Colliery in March 1962. It is a shame that these locomotives were not able to hang on for a few more years for potential preservation. David

Thinking about a possible etch conversion, would it be possible to have some etched overlays for the wheels? The photo is of Henry Court on the Foxfield Railway, currently out of service. Does anybody know if this loco is a W4? David

Shrewsbury shed had a few and they were seen on freight trains down the ex LNWR Coalport branch in the early 1960s.

Excellent work. My only comment about the ventilator is that is a bit to flash for a corrugated iron loco shed. I would suggest something more basic and much simpler. It could be a couple of vertical tubes with a cap held up by 3strips of metal. Whatever you decide it needs to be consistent with the rustic nature of the shed. David.

Andy, love the layout at Gnosal today and really good to meet you. Pity about the electrical problems but sometimes getting something finished for a deadline gets you to the point where a problem surfaces but is then solved. When is the layout next planned outing? I thought the exhibition today was excellent and I noticed that the attendance looked pretty healthy so I hope that it met your expectations.Thanks for the tip about POW sides for getting some Lilleshal Co wagon transfers done. Wel done on creating something a little different. David

I would be interested in 2 P4 chassis, although EM spacers would be fine. I would prefer the cylinders to be part of the etch and would not want to butcher the Hornby chassis. David

Interesting lettering on the Lilleshall Co integral wagons. It seems to be L Co at one end but I can't see clearly what the word is at the other end. Anybody else got a guess?

Is the scrapping taking place in the New Yard adjacent to the loco shed?

Ruston re the end tipping slag wagons I will have a look and see if I have any other photos of these. David

Having been away for a few weeks its about time I added some more stuff to the thread. The Lilleshall Co built a small number of locomotives some for their own use and some for sale. One of the locos they kept for themselves was No 4 Constanance built in 1865 and lasted until 1957. It had been rebuilt by the Company in 1916 when it received new frames and a new boiler. The photo was taken in 1954 by Timm Shuttleworth and also shows a couple of the slag wagons used to dispose the slag from the blast furnaces. The second photo shows No 4 outside the loco shed at New Yard in 1952 with the Barclay 0-6-0 in front and some tanterlising bits of wagons in the background. Photo by Tim Shuttleworth. The 3rd photo again taken by Tim Shuttleworth on 17-5-1952 probably on the same day as the phot above. Engines like No 4 Constance are to me what Industrial railways are all about, ancient locos toilimhg away out of the limelight.

If Hornby or Bachmann are thinking about another Industrial loco then I would suggest the Barcley as used at Granville. The Pecket produced by Hornby is excellent so let's hope other Industrial locos are being considered, preferably the Barcley above! David

Chamby no I have not seen (or heard) the Locoman 8F. Where do I get details from? David

I thought I would post a couple of prototype photos and then my model version. The Fowler 2-6-4 tanks from Stafford were regulars on the passenger trains and sometimes on freight. here is a J B Buckley photo of 42389 at Stafford shed. This is followed by my P4 version based on a GEM kit, this was one of the last "new" models offered by GEM before George Mellor sold the business. Th next photo is of the model of 46519 which I photographed leaving the MOD depot at Donnington with a pick up freight for Wellington. This was a Shrewsbury engine at the time. Here is that photo, its poor quality but at 16 years old I could not afford a good camera!!

I thought it was about time I posted a little more on this thread, I have been pleasantly suprised at both the number of people viewing it and for the contributions so far. Firstly another photo of a loco at Granville, this time of Holly Bank No 3 taken in 1968 by Jim Peden. It arrived at Granville in 1966 from the Littleton Colliery. It was cut up on site in July 1968. The second photo is of the Barcley bought new in 1948 and scrapped in late 1967 early 1968. Photo via the Kidderminster Museum.

PGH, great photos, interesting that the photos show the coal train working into the interchange yard by gravity. When the standard 16ton wagons were being used the Granville loco would push the train into the yard. When the train was assembled in the interchange yard at Donnington for the BR loco there would usually be a BR brake van at each end of the train as the train would reverse at Wellington and at Madeley Junct to work down to Buildwas Power Station, the 2 brake vans reducing the amount of shunting at each of the reversals. Regarding the stored wagons in one of the photos, as a 16 year old I liberated one of the wagon plates which now sits in my garage over my layout of Trench sidings! David

PGH thanks for the blowup of Lilleshall No 1 dismantled within the works yard. The Lilleshal Co does not seem to have been to bothered about painting numbers on its locomotives with such a small fleet and only operating an a relatively small system the crews and operating managers would know all the locos individually. It's been a pleasure for me for other people to add to this thread as I am always keen to see new material on the company and its railway system. I recently saw a large collection of AJB Dodd of photos of the Lilleshall Co, not just of the railway system but of the blast furnaces and it is hoped that this can be produced in book form. David

Loveley photos of Granville and its locos. I am now posting another Tim Shuttleworth photo of the ex Barry Railway 0-6-2 tank (VF1342 of 1892) this became Lilleshall No 5 having been aquired by the company in July 1934 and active untill it was withdrawn in January 1957. I would love to build a 4mm model of the ex TVR locos but as far as I know there are no kits for this class of loco. Another photo of the ex TVR loco transfered from the Lilleshall Co to the NCB at Granville from the K J Cooper collection of the Industrial Railway Society. David