drduncan

Hi Mikkel,

No, not stamp collecting yet! And without spoiling any future post on the Dean goods, the high level kits chassis couldn't be more highly recommended. It is going together very well.

Duncan

Hi Mikkel,

Your discontinued prieser baskets packs are actually still available. See:

http://www.gaugemaster.com/search_results.asp?searchstring=preiser%20scale~~%ACho%AC~~scale%20category~~1268~~category&style=&andor=&method=kws&strType=&currentpage=2#23

regards

drduncan

Dear Mike,

I'm delighted the tilt wagon thread has borne fruit. Your tilt wagon and use of a die cutter is inspiring!

My sometime partner in modelling crimes Gareth Ashenden (of this parish) has also embarked on a tilt wagon for Empire Mills and despite increasingly unsubtle hints he's still not making an extra one for me to gloat over. (But in his defence he is American and irony and sarcasim often go unoticed, despite regular training in English English! Mind you all sins get forgiven when i remember what an excellent modeller he is... )

Anyway to get back to the point Gareth tells me the Broad gauge society do the right w irons.

Keep up the good work!

drduncan

drduncan

Wonderful work!

Drduncan

And it looks very nice too, Mike. Now we just need some images of a painted and lettered 2500 gal tender from the shapeways 3d stable!

Duncan

Ah just seen the make, 5&9 models. Can't say I know much about them, what's the verdict on the kit design and parts quality?

D

What make of kit is it?

drduncan

I'm currently working on your Buffalo and one of those silly tilt wagons, but if you want me to do something else it could probably be arranged.

Oh no, I wouldn't dream of interfering with progress on any GWR project - even if it is my Buffalo!!!!

D

Nice work, Gareth. Are you developing a penchant for industrial prototypes? High Level kits do some lovely ones.....they look great on a colliery kayout. Now where might one of these be found close to you? Oh, yes. The next varient for Empire Mills!!!!

Duncan

Miss Prism,

There are some excellent photos in the post you linked to - many thanks.  Lots of inspiration for tackling the Dean Goods (its in the queue behind 2811, 788, the 43xx and possibly 2012 saddle tank and 3031 if I can find a GA drawing for the 2021 (rather than the less the helpful weight diagrams in the Russell book) and the frame diagram for the 3031!  York is far to far to drop by to do some hands on research

So the Dean Goods might move up the batting order.

D

Hi Mikkel,

Thanks - glad you like the coal rails.  Thanks also for the heads up about Alan possibly being the source of the shapeways tenders.

D

Hi Mike,

Thanks - it looks very interesting.  I've been looking for a way to straighten an oblique view of an ex Cornwall Minerals Railway china clay tippler to produce a scale drawing and this might do the trick.

D

Yes, and a right good read it was too - everyone should have a look at it, but then again all GWR modellers should join the GW Study Group as their knowledge and helpfulness is brilliant.

Duncan

Hi Nick,

Thanks for the post and the useful additional information, the only caveat I'd make is that its the early Lots that are built with the cut out etc, later Lots are built without them - the photographic evidence is that some of the early Lots retained some or all of these features for many years after the later Lots and their mods came into service - a good argument for modelling from photos whenever possible!  I know this might be considered pedantic, but at the moment I've come across little information on the rebuilding of these tenders, also while widening them and raising the footplates sounds reasonable as part of the rebuild programme, I'm a bit sceptical as to why the GWR would waste money altering the cut outs to the tender flare - but then again the decision making of large organisations frequently surpasses all human comprehension and understanding so anything is possible!

Thanks again.

Duncan

Hi Mike,

Thanks for the post, I quite agree its likely that its a 2500 gallon tender as this was the most common type found behind Dean Goods at this time, but like you one can't be sure - but it does show all the features of an early Lot 3000 gallon, so it is still of some help I hope.  Now if anyone out there can remove the effect of being viewed at an angle I'd love to hear from them so that measurements can be accurately and easily taken I'd love to hear from them!

Regards

Duncan

Yes, its bad enough with round top fireboxes, or belpaire ones! Thank heavens I dont have to worry too much about weird and wonderful bunker changes in the interwar period or the ever changing outside steam pipes minefield. Tenders in the edwardian period - easier in comparison!

I know but I have locktite 603

D

Ah!

D

Cheers Gareth! I hope you will show off the very swb end door coal wagon you've been woring on.

D

Ah, but that suggests an earlier change over date, or else there eouldnt be any grey wagons to comment on, the red being the survivors from the early/mid 1890s awaiting repainting!

Isn't history wonderful? The more ambiguity the longer we can debate!!!!!

D

For me its the fuss the GWR makes about getting the style of the 25" lettering right (there are appearance trials for various styles of lettering), with no mention of a simultaneous change in livery that clinches it.  To me, if they were changing the livery at the same time as going over to 25" someone would have commented, but its seems that no one did, therefore the lettering change wasn't seen as such a big deal, why?  I think because the wagons were already grey.

First one to the National Archives (or the NRM at York) and who finds conclusive documentary evidence wins.

D

And I'm also very aware that under the above reasoning my model of O5 44600 should be red not grey (it has a left hand G.W.R), but the facts about the actual date of the GWR going to grey wagons is so opaque I can live with it....at least for now!

Hmmm, maybe not.  According to the evidence cited by John Lewis on the GWR modelling website, there are a number of conflicting sources for the date of going to grey.  It could be any time from the 1880s to 1904 (and even this might not be that accurate).  On balance I feel that an early to mid 1890s date for the changeover is acceptable (to me anyway) and thus cast plates and right hand G.W.R lettered wagons would be grey, but left hand G.W.R would be red.

Thanks.

As I'm constructing a rake of almost identical O13s, I want to inject variety in the overall look of the finished train by having very different weathering finishes. On other wagons I'll also be trying to darken the base coat of GWR freight grey.

Duncan

Thanks! I'll try to pose them on Hope on Thursday to get a better picture. I think thr important bit in the top layer of weathering is vertical brush strokes to simulate the impact of rain streaking the dirt.