LNWR lives on

The workshop building is from LNWR Days. Bangor was the North Wales Divisional Headquarters for the Engineer and Permanent way workers. When it was erected I have not as yet discovered, Mr Footner was the Resident Engineer and IIRC his area was from Holyhead to Chester and up to the Wirral. When you think about the North Wales Coast Line, the volume of structures, earthworks, the two tubular bridges, he had quite a lot within his responsibility.  

The sawtooth at the back of the building is standard Webb engine shed panels/roof which is the same as the engine & goods sheds. Looking closely at the image below (copied in from previous post) that saw tooth roof continues forwards as a single storey, and it looks like the front of the building has had a 2 storey 'U' shape constructed around it. My suggestion is that on the 1st floor sides, these were some of the offices/drawing offices, and on the front, both floors were offices. The exception to the front offices being the sides of the building, where it looks like there are stanchions and from the track plan above, you can see that one track goes down each side of the building - so there is a trackway underneath the sides of the 'U' - I hope that makes sense.  

At one time there was an engineers crane located at Bangor, permanent way gangs worked from here and there was also a crane which was over a couple of the tracks. There was also a small shed which housed the district engineers saloon. The offices included a drawing office which we know as drawings exist marked Bangor from the draughtsmen who worked there, these include minor amendments and also tenders for larger works, such as bridge replacements that the LNWR did not carry out in house. 

I have not managed to locate a drawing for the building, you can use the standard drawings from Jack Nelson to produce the saw toothed section, the rest I think you are going to have to freelance based on the photographs you have available. 

Hope that helps

David

Published to celebrate the 50th Anniversary of the London and North Western Railway Society, this commemorative calendar features 13 quality period photographs from the Societies collection. 

It will also be 100 years since the London and North Western Railway was amalgamated into the London Midland and Scottish Railway Company on the 1st January 2023. 

If you wish to purchase direct please contact the Sales Officer at sales@lnwrs.org.uk. The calendar has also been listed on eBay at the link below

L&NWR 50th Anniversary Society Calendar - LNWR - London North Western - LMS | eBay

eBay Item No. 155292735625

London And North Western Railway Society. Registered Charity No. 1110210

On 05/09/2022 at 13:28, WM183 said:

Well, I suspect I will be ordering another copy, along with the LNWR wagon volumes. It seems UPS decided I just wasn't getting my book after all. This is seriously way more trouble than I ever imagined buying a simple book could be.

 

Good Morning - I am so sorry to hear of your continuing troubles (only just come onto RMWeb today)

Drop me a line to Sales@lnwrs.org.uk and lets get it sorted. Whilst I cant do anything about UPS, I will sort something out with you. 

Best

David

L&NWRS Sales Officer

Just to follow up on an earlier technical point some emails which are supposed to have been forwarded from sales@ to me have not been, new filters and technical stuff above my understanding have been applied and this issue should not occur going forwards. 

Overall, this has been helpful in highlighting an issue which is now resolved, we were able to quickly remedy a situation once known about, and I look forwards to seeing Amanda's LNWR carriages being built in the Netherlands. 

If anyone wants anything L&NWR related - contact me at sales@lnwrs.org.uk and I will be happy to help

David  

46 minutes ago, WM183 said:

Thank you indeed! I was hoping posting here would get a person who could help, and I thank you for doing that.

Replacement book is now in the post to your friend in the UK, lets hope this one gets there!

Best

David

45 minutes ago, Blandford1969 said:

Hello I have passed this thread over to someone in the society. They are now aware of this thread and hopefully they will be able to move this forwards for you. 

Hi Blandford, 

Great appreciation for passing this on. 

Kind Regards

David

Working on any particular trains/length of carriages?

14 minutes ago, WM183 said:

 

Hi David,

Thank you very much for the update and information. I just want to get the book so I can start modelling! I had been emailing via the sales@lnwr.org address, and also contacted you twice via eBay before asking my friend to order the book for me. As of yesterday she said she had not received it. I will contact her again today and pass along your message.

Is there some sort of spam setting on the sales@lnwr address that is munching emails, perhaps? Also, is there an alternative way to contact the society that might work better?

All the best,

Amanda

P.S. If you are modelling LNWR carriages get in contact with our Modelling Officer David M with any enquires, he has been churning out LNWR carriages at a great rate in the last few years. 

Best

David

2 minutes ago, WM183 said:

 

Hi David,

Thank you very much for the update and information. I just want to get the book so I can start modelling! I had been emailing via the sales@lnwr.org address, and also contacted you twice via eBay before asking my friend to order the book for me. As of yesterday she said she had not received it. I will contact her again today and pass along your message.

Is there some sort of spam setting on the sales@lnwr address that is munching emails, perhaps? Also, is there an alternative way to contact the society that might work better?

All the best,

Amanda

Hi Amanda, 

Understandable. If the book is not there by now it means R Mail have it still and experience says it will either reappear with me in a few weeks as I put return addresses on, or its gone forever - so after sending the first message I have packed another copy and am going to the Post Office today after the school run. 

sales@lnwrs.org.uk is the best way to contact me, an upper case S can cause some issues sometimes, .co.uk definitely does not reach me, I will make the appropriate enquiry to our IT volunteer. 

Kind Regards

David

1 hour ago, Edwardian said:

 

I sympathise.

 

I followed the stated procedure on the LNWRS website for the ordering of a book some weeks ago, and have yet to receive the courtesy of a response. Cottage industries and volunteer-based organisations can suffer from this. 

 

A glowing contrast, however, was the GNRS, who immediately responded, got one of the two volumes out in short order, profusely apologised for the other being out of stock, ordered a reprint and informed me of its progress, getting it to me in a week or so after the rapid dispatch of the in-stock volume. 

 

My conclusion? Model the GNR instead!

Hello Edwardian, 

I cannot do a search on my emails without knowing who you are, however if you would like to email sales@lnwrs.org.uk and/or drop me a message on here I will be more than happy to help you with your enquiry. 

Kind Regards

David Bond

L&NWRS Sales Officer

3 hours ago, WM183 said:

Hi folks.

I have been trying for months to buy a copy of LNWR Non-Corridor Carriages from the LNWR society: https://www.lnwrs.org.uk/Sales/books.php

I have received no answer to 10+ emails inquiring about shipping to the Netherlands.

I noticed the book on Ebay listed by the society itself, so I attempted to contact them about shipping it to me in the Netherlands. Again, all attempts went unanswered.
 

Link here: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154970523532?hash=item2414f6878c:g:7ewAAOSwWNRia6pT

So I had a friend in the UK buy it now. It's been nearly 2 weeks. No word to her, no reply to mails, and no book or shipping indication.

What gives? Can I get the book, please? 

Very confused and a bit aggravated,

Amanda

 

Hello Amanda, 

I am really sorry that you are struggling to receive the book. I have not had any emails through to sales@lnwrs.org.uk enquiring about shipping to the Netherlands, and I have just checked my eBay messages and nothing in there either. 

I am assuming the eBay purchase you refer to was made on the 23rd June 2022 - that went into the post on the 25th June - if it has not turned up with your friend then please ask her to message me on eBay and I can handle it from there - it wont be the first book Royal Mail have lost for me since the start of the Pandemic.

Kind Regards

David Bond

L&NWRS Sales Officer

Hello Tony

Try sending an email to sales@lnwrs.org.uk and I will have a look on our (LNWR Society) online archive system to see if we have a suitable drawing. 

Kind Regards

David

As Merfyn pointed out, Graham was a member of the Colwyn Model Railway Club and that is how he came to know my father, Arthur. Dad remembers Graham as a very enthusiastic model railway builder and a character. He remembers one story of Graham, which was the night before an exhibition at the Colwyn club rooms in Beech Road, Graham incorrectly did some wiring and burnt out all the point motors on the clubs 'TT' layout, an issue that was rectified and trains did run the next day. He also remembers that Graham was hands on and willing to learn and try to improve his modelling techniques.  

After having not seen Graham for a long time, Dad was very pleased to bump into him at the Colwyn Clubs Exhibition a few years ago and catch up with him. He remembers him with fondness and will miss seeing him at future exhibitions, especially with his Z gauge layout. 

For my part, I first met Graham at the Kettering O gauge guild show, where I was on duty for the first time on behalf of the LNWR Society. He stopped by the stand and asked if we had any details about a particular LNWR buffer type, and in discussion we exchanged names. He said he knew a Bond once, named Arthur but he lived in North Wales. It just goes to show it is a small world. 

Since that first meeting wherever we then saw each other again we would always stop and have a good chat. I will remember him for his kindness and his enthusiasm for the hobby. 

RIP Graham

3 hours ago, Locomotion No. 3 said:

No one outside of a small group of people within the NRM, Rails of Sheffield and Bachmann had any prior knowledge of this model and it was kept very securely under wraps. Indeed Hornby Magazine only knew about it a couple of weeks ago when we began story boarding the video and they have also kept strictly to the embargo that was 1200 today as none of us wanted to spoil the effort we had all put into this. 

 

Our thanks to Mike Wild and Richard Watson at Hornby magazine for making it happen. Fortunately it was scheduled for filming at Shildon last Tuesday (3 November) and was achieved before we all went into lockdown 2 last Wednesday. 

 

Sometimes people make educated guesses - at least one person did so in the 94xx thread earlier today!

 

Dennis Lovett

Exclusive Models Marketing Executive

Locomotion Models

 

 

 

Dennis, 

This is a truly wonderful development for LNWR Modellers, for whom there is very little in the way of RTR available. 

I have one question which you may be able to help me with - is the production run of Hardwicke going to have the White Cab roof, or will it be black?

Thank you 

David

Are you scrapping the 00 chassis and wheels?

Why not try the LNWR Society for a drawing. A quick look on their website under the drawing services tab (link below) shows that the drawings below the link might be suitable.  

http://lnwrs.org.uk/ArchiveDrawings.pdf

DLOCO292 LNWR 6ft Four Wheels Coupled Side Tank Engine. Precursor Tank. 21/05/1906. Copy. G

DLOCO467 LNWR 6ft Four Wheels Coupled Side Tank Engine. Precursor Tank. End elevations and cross sections. 31/03/1906. Reduced copy. G

DLOCO579 6ft 3in 4-4-2T Precursor End elevations and sections Drg No C16225A G

DLOCO580 6ft 3in 4-4-2T Precursor Side & End elevations Detail of boiler F

DLOCO622 LNWR 6ft 0in Four Wheels Coupled Side Tank Engine 4-4-2T Precursor Tank Plan Side Elevations & Sections. Dwg No LOCO139 with missing section added 21/5/1906. G

David

www.lnwrs.org.uk

On ‎25‎/‎05‎/‎2019 at 10:55, Ruston said:

They are known as N20, which is some kind of size reference. N20 are the motors that are often bought with a gearbox attached and it was these I was searching for when I found N20s without a gearbox. I no longer have the details but if you search ebay for N20 motors you should find them.

 

The same motor with gearbox attached.

Ruston,

I am rather impressed with this motor set up and the ingenuity in using this motor.

One thing you dont say (unless I missed it) is where you sourced the two plastic gears for the drive shaft and driving axle. Can you remember the source?

Best

David

An LNWR Society at home perhaps once the new layout is built?

I hope the move goes well and smoothly.

I am intrigued as to how the new layout will look with you using the two extension boards. Will it be a roundy or end to end? Is a new station planned?

Best

David

That will be D316 sorry - I was trying to eat my lunch - reply to you and help a work colleague all in one go

Here is an image of Dinas from the Society Collection. SITE 266. Copyright L&NWRS Society.

You are quite correct Jol - M&L did Cornwall, not Lady of the Lake (Problem Class) which was in K's milestone range which seems to command quite a sum nowaways on eBay.

It is a very very nice collections of carriages and locomotives, I hope you enjoy them.

The 50Ft Pre printed side is a D373, PC Kit.

http://www.lnwrs.org.uk/Modelling/4mmcarriages?display_base_mod_photo=4cpcwd373b1

You also have a 50Ft D2216 PC kit

http://www.lnwrs.org.uk/Modelling/4mmcarriages?display_base_mod_photo=4cratd316a1

One of the ratios is the D316 centre brake 1st/3rd.

http://www.lnwrs.org.uk/Modelling/4mmcarriages?display_base_mod_photo=4cratd316a1

Another is the D318 which was a corridor composite

http://www.lnwrs.org.uk/Modelling/4mmcarriages?display_base_mod_photo=4cratd316a1

Locos:

Railmotor – Blacksmith models

POW/Experiment - 1988 – Hurricane - GEM on what looks like a Hornby B12 chassis – Rhos on Sea Version.

0-8-2 – Jidenco kit – love the flywheel in the cab.

Lady of the Lake – That looks to be the M&L kit version

2-4-2 tank – 4ft 6in Version – GEM – If a white metal block for a chassis its Rhos on Sea version

Special DX – M&L – Brass Chassis - Definitely not GEM as they never did one of these – it was in the pipeline until M&L released theirs.

Name plate Victor - Post 1864 all goods engines were not named, and those that were named had the nameplates removed. I dont think any of the Special DX (Webb rebuilds) were named - a look in Baxter will confirm this.

Precedent – GEM – Looks to be on GEM White metal Chassis

Crewe Special – Definitely with some additions – J83 chassis replacement

Cauliflower – another GEM on J83 replacement chassis -

Excellent work as always, I love watching this thread.

Where did you acquire the Archers Rivets from?

David

After painting the roof of the brake van thought I would try a technique to blacken it.

Quite pleased with the result so next I think two coats of matt varnish and then weather the sides. 

Are you doing it as a 1st/3rd or 1st/2nd/3rd?

Seats were red, blue and green according to class. I can check which was which when I am at home later on if you do not get an answer beforehand. 

Time to bring this thread back to life.

Various kits are at different stages of building - in the foreground are various wagons with carriages to the rear at various stages of build