LNWR lives on

Cheers for the info, ballast wagons without having to buy the ratio kit, fantastic

On a brief glance in the wagons book you are spot in that they just chopped the ends off and added buffers, so conversions should be possible. I think the LNWR had an extension to the allowed conversion timeframe due to the shear number of wagons they had to convert, so it would be quite feasible to see both variants on the network, though wether you would see a train of mixed units, i.e. a 3 set sprung-dumb-sprung buffered I'm not sure

Hi Guy,

Superb modelling of the LNWR Wagons so far, I am looking forward to seeing how you alter the D48 to D13 as its a conversion I am wanting to do myself as I am building up quantity of ballast wagons nicely, but will have too many D13 sets

Did London road have any other prototypes on display/say more diagrams were coming? I wonder if it will be possible to convert the kit to a D12 which has buffers fitted so it has a wider time period

Cheers

David

Thank you for your praise. Yes I left the strike plate on the door though I am unsure if there were fitted to D53 or only D54 onwards when the D53's were upgraded (Come on wagons book 3 for the answers!!) The door spring has been left off purely as its a fragile detail which I think is liable to be knocked off most of the wagons anyway so I just have not included it on that basis than knowing if they were fitted to wagons with simple brakes acting on one wheel only.

I feel sorry for the number taker on my wagon fleet, he's going to be scratching his head for sure

Cheers

David

Inspired by Compounds work on his thread I thought it was about time I posted and showed my first attempt at converting a Dia54 to a D53 coal wagon. This was predominantly an experiment to find out the best method of converting each part.

D54 Sides to the left, the cut D53 sides to the right

The upright stanchions on the ends were cut through with a junior hacksaw, and a Stanley knife then used to cut through the top plank. For the sides a ruler was blue-tacked in place and then the top plank was removed this time with the scalpel which took longer but produced a cleaner cut. For removing the strapping I went for a flat chisel scalpel blade and carefully worked along the length of the strap, with great care required not to let the blade dig into the rest of the wagon side. Fine emery paper was used to tidy up some more and a scalpel blade used to try and clear out the recess of the planks where the strap was as these would now become normal recesses. The parts were then stuck together as normal, through the paint shop and another wagon to add to the growing fleet

The release notice for the LNWR wagons:

• Ref 751 One plank and ballast dropsides wagons
• Ref 752 Two Plank and four plank wagons
• Ref 753 Loco Coal and traffic coal

was in the Ratio advert in the December 1980 Railway Modeller all costing £4

Under frames only were also made available at 62pence

Converting the D54 back to a D53, Made possible by the LNWR's frugality in waste not want not as they just added the top planks to make it a 5 plank than 4 plank wagon with the top plank able to swing hinged instead of messing about making new drop doors

I've yet to post my attempt at this conversion (only just recently found the photos again) but I found the worst bit was cleaning out the planking grooves so that they looked natural.

Loving the diagram two build, that looks really really good

Diagram 9 was a very common type. Dependant on your flexibility in measurement a medium cattle wagon was 16'2.5" on a 9' wheelbase but there was variation in the lengths on these wagons.

I really should send you a membership leaflet penlan ☺

2100 is about right I believe for ballast wagons, though other suitable wagons with drop sides were employed as and when they could be 'aquired'

Be careful with the divisions as like alot of things there was a reorganisation of the divisions at some point. PWD is the safe bet, NWD and SD i think were two others

The permanent way wagon set was announced in The Railway Modeller In May 1982 at a cost of just £4:83. The two wagon set traffic coal and 4 planker cost £3:45

Hi Penlan,

I honestly dont know if it has been incorporated into the hard back Volume 2's. I believe that the new owner of Wild Swan has had the remaining Volume 2's rebound as hard backs. Personally I am happy with my softback version.

What I do know is in my position as Sales Officer of the L&NWRS I have copies of the supplement available ☺

David

Hi Compound

See the below link for information on the LNWR Diagram 54 Wagon

http://www.lnwrs.org.uk/Wagons/coal/Diag054.php

Also, don't forget if you get the LNWR Wagons books there is a supplement to Volume 1 which contains what information has been found on some of the rarer and more obscure types of LNWR Wagon

If you want a copy send me a PM

Loving seeing you model some LNWR wagons. I found that the Pressfix transfers from HMRS were easier to apply and make correction for lining up before final application of water, haven't been brave enough to try the Methfix yet which others recommend highly

Cheers

David

Absolutely fantastic

Ill second that, absolutely superb workmanship, its really coming together now

Awesome work

Looking excellent

If memory serves then the d14 were used to transport military wagons along with diagram 1 wagons and anything else suitable to hand to get equipment where it needed to be.

Diamonds wise the position I gave was when the lnwr lettering was used so its quite conciveable that they were closer together when it was a diamonds only livery, though I have yet to see a photo to back it up one way or the other

His web site still shows 'In Preparation - Deposit'.

Yeah, hes just not updated it but I know a few people who have already bought them and think its one of the best he has produced

The brake block is the giveaway to tell you its a d1

wagon, the ratio d1 had the next design of brake block whereas bill bedford has included the large wooden block.

Looking very good Gareth, especially the NLR Ballast break, you have picked out the details beautifully. How did you do your wood effect on the top of the deal wagon?

So we are told Wagons 3 is due out the back end of this year. There is also the Wagons Supplement Number 1 which contains the details on some of the more obscure wagons. If you want more details or to buy a copy pm me

The dray i found mine was crisply moulded though I agree not the most buildable. I found it was best to add a bit and then paint before adding the next and more paint, the wheels being last of course

Have you looked at Dart Castings range of horse drawn wagons?

I am hoping a member will bring along one of these to the LNWR Society modelling day. It will be interesting to see how it compares to the D&S white metal version in terms of detail

That Looks great. Shame its too early for my 4mm period, or I may have picked one up.

What is your period? As they were virtually extinct by the grouping but a few were kicking about in early LMS days, so period dependant you might just be able to justify one, or if you really like it just adopt rule 1

Blimey, I bought one of those drays to sit onto of a diagram 38A wagon and whilst the dray went together easily enough the two part horse moulding I thought was atrocious. What you have managed to do with them is superb

I thought the deal wagon wasnt in vol 1.

Its in the timber wagons section. Quite interesting as they had a varied life, with some being used for deal, some received 9 inch sides as an experiment, and some were re-labelled STEAM WAGON TRUCK which were then used to transport FODEN trucks

They go above the spring anchor points closest to the buffers according to the photo in lnwr wagons 1, although in that photo it also has LNWR lettering the full height of the side bar

Is that the Keli Kraft kit?

How did you do the lining?

Fair play bud, cant wait to see this one developing.

In LNWR Journal Volume 5 number 5 there is a 5 page article on wagon sheets and ropes by Peter Ellis which has 5 images of wagons with tarps on the wagons.

If you want a copy of the above Journal I have some for £1 each plus the postage to USA, send me a pm

Dave

That is just looking gorgeous

How much and how often do you expect the whitemetal to experience torque? If its not very often then is it up to the job.....