LNWR lives on

Neither, whoever set up the L&NWR Society Web site decided to call it the Webb Site in honour of one of he LNWR's most famous Locomotive Engineers,  F W Webb.

If you go on the home page, left hand menu block, Webb Site

Also:

http://www.lnwrs.org.uk/Journal/Volume5.pdf

Wagon Sheets and Ropes. Volume 5, Journal 5 pg39 and Journal 6 pg43

If I have them at home I will have a look and see what it says, if I have spare copies in the Sales stock I will sell them to you

Cheers

David

I think Mark is right and its in Volume 2 I believe

The other two sources that would spring to mind would be LNWR Liveries or Jack Nelson LNWR Portrayed. I will try and have a look tonight

I cant see anything on the Webb site, nor on Zenfolio, but you could email the LNWR Society Webb Master and see if he has any photos of wagons with tarps he could put onto Zenfolio

Dave

You never know I might make being an engineer yet

Awesome The cast in grain detail you have picked out really does make a difference to the overall inside of the wagon. Are you planning a load for it?

Given the number of kits Mike Williams is likely to sell, then I think the prices are very reasonable. Compare his loco kit prices with those of someone like Aster, for example.

If you look at it in those terms then no Mike is not expensive at all, and you also get an awful lot of wagon for your money. My expression was in terms of an individual outlay from the wallet

That said if you compare to 00 then you would get 18 of the ratio wagons for one of Mikes, which I think you could quite easily stack the 18 ratios inside the one gauge 3 D9

Looking forward to the next update and photographs

So just a small change of gauge for a summer project then. Have to say the work you have done so far is looking fantastic

I know the proprietor of Williams Models through the society and have long admired the quality of his kits but not the price tags!

Keep the updates coming

Dave

MR Diner for me :-)

The TPO is just an outstanding piece of modeling

Shrunk? No. You're just so ahead of the curve, you've modeled the LNWR in 7mm to 57% full size!

That is awesome Fair play

I did have to stop myself from buying a couple of 7mm wagon kits but it was a close run thing, I've got enough 4mm to be getting on with. Though a coal tank with a couple of wagons and brake van in 7mm would look lovely in the display case.....

Not the best model photo in the world as it was taken to show the whole stand, but my work was in the centre of the London and North Western Society stand at the O Gauge Guild at Kettering, an event I thoroughly enjoyed and it was a pleasure to meet fellow members and railway enthusiasts alike, even if I did have to tell a few people the models had shrunk in the rain!!

Dia 307, Bogies Painted, vents and transfers added, another coach rolls into service

And now gives me a rake of 5 coaches ready to go

Thats not a bad shout Trevor, will have to have a look in the scraps box and see if I have suitable plasticard available

I dread to think tbh. Its going to be an as im doing other stuff job, so when I next need the filler out ill fill the ends up etc.

Think its going to be hard going getting the ends something like again

Yep, that is as bought, i think from striping it that the transfers had been stuck on using cement. Luckily no paint has been applied so far..

Bought on the spur of the moment for £3 when buying some other wagons for the kids Thomas layout was the wagon as photo'd below. What do some people do to their kits

So far I have managed to remove the transfers by scalpel and fibre brush, removed the existing break gear and also removed the floating timbers from the top of the load which just looked daft and its starting to come into some form of shape. The ends are going to need some filler and luckily when in a rake the damage/repair will be mostly hidden to sight

One of those jobs that has been waiting for a while is a Diagram 307 5 Compartment All Third Brake PC Coach kit that I bought ready made. When it arrived it was less its door vents, any form of numbering and had been built using the PC bogies, one of which would not retain its wheels despite no end of messing about, minor soldering etc and I finally had enough, taking the clippers to it and removing the bogie as much as possible. Once the bulk of the bogie was removed, the bolt was cut through and the remaining area was cleaned up.

A Stevenson Carriages 9FT White metal mount was filed down to fit, the bolt pushed through and evostick'd into position. Once dry the bogie was fitted and a test run undertaken. As the fix seemed to work quite nicely the process was repeated at the other end of the carriage

Now the carriage is running better the next job is to raid my other PC kits and scrounge enough vents (9) together to add to the side, add transfers, and paint the bogies

Just had a root through my transfers folder and PC certainly did them in Methfix, ive got 4 sheets of the things, must try doing them with Meths and compare which is the easier

Had anther look in the book and the first picture in the chapter does show tarpaulin covered cases on wagons so thats one bit answered

The bit i cant get my head around is that because its so specialised a traffic (the wagon would be useless for 99% of ther loads) if it was to be landed on timbers because of lifting ropes surely they would have have bolted timbers down or recessed the wagon floor. Think its time to study the text for all the wagons with a brew and see if that sheds any light on the matter 

At least I am reading the drawing the same as you Penlan, thats why I wondered if the cases had lifting eyes or something

That's an interesting comment Bill, where did you find that out?

Regards the packing off the wagon floor I would guess baulks of wood maybe?

Thank you for your kind comments

I am using PC Pressfix (Now available from HMRS) for the tare weights, have been learning how best to apply them as on some of the wagons a rivet or bolt head gets in the way. Think when I do the next batch of wagons the offending rivet head will be removed to make life easier. They do have the . on the sheet as well but when I am happy I am just going to use a touch of white paint instead 

The transfer sheet is available from HMRS (About £8 rings a bell), not sure if its Pressfix/Methfix now they make or both, must admit I've not tried the methylated ones I have in stock as yet

Its been ages since I posted but I have been beavering away sorting out details and tidying up projects, most wagons now have tare weights although one or two need redoing, discovered I am not so good with miniature transfers

I cannot decide on the attached pictures, one row of timber or two?

See now this is something I am struggling with slightly, the large wooden cases, there is one sketched in on the drawing in LNWR Wagons 1, and the detail is there for how they secure the case to the wagon frame etc.

What I cant find out is how they would have lifted the case onto and off the wagon, did the case have lifting eyes in the corners somewhere or on the sides?

The lettering you require is on the LNWR PC sheet which is available from HMRS now I believe. Also has the diamonds on it

I have started having a go at mine and have to say the instructions leave a fair amount to be desired, you do have to figure out a fair bit for yourself, but it is a lovely wagon when its built, just need to try and paint it when the weather is in a kinder mood

The generic instructions look like it is a spring per bearing, not none across the wagon, but as the wire gets hidden behind the solebar it doesn't really matter either way

Just want to say thank you for the thread, will be invaluable when I come to attack my kit of this wagon

The LNWR tended to upgrade wagons if they felt it necessary as and when they came in for major overhaul/maintenance/repair unless there was a major upgrade programme for a type of wagon put in place. In some instances instead of upgrading, they simply reduced the nominated capacity the wagon could carry

As such there is such a wide variety of brake arrangements/liveries that you can get away with most things within the bounds of reason. Hence as Spitfire said you can find wagons that have been repainted to LMS livery still with single brake shoes.

The best thing as ever is to find some photos of the diagram required and look at the variances in them (Ebay can be good for this)

LNWR Wagons 1 will give you information on D4 and D9 as well as numerous other types