LNWR lives on

Perhaps a positive post. I attended on behalf of the LNWR Society, and living close by I made the decision to still attend as the show was going ahead. My choice to attend, though as I am local I had the advantage of having driven the bulk of my route several times already that week to reach work.

Whilst the footfall was low in terms of the public (the comment about traders wandering around is rather accuratte) for myself it was good as I enjoyed several conversations with people, both society members and not, and learnt quite a few things as the day went on and also hopefully helped a few people with enquries. I also managed to talk to some of the traders which is not something which we can neccasarily normally do as they are rightly busy with paying customers. It was also good to be able to have a natter with Marc of Furness who has posted on this thread already, who is one of my outstanding enquiries.

I would like to say a big thank you to the Gents at Premier Components who looked after me with a supply of tea etc as I was on my own.

David

Oh how one is frothing at the mouth

http://lnwrs.org.uk/PassClassLocos/pass_class_menu.php?display_class_details=w53t

Thinking outside the box so to speak, would a drawing of a yard crane give an indication of how it was supported?

I don't normally do pre-orders but I would love a crane tank in 4mm, the CAD model looks absolutely stunning with so much detail included.

Dave, I hope you have a long and happy retirement

A friend has informed me that Wild Swan had a poster up on his stand saying that Wagons 3 would be available in February, but he cannot remember the price.

Can anyone help please?

Thanks

David

And finally its re-lettered ☺

Wagon and Carriage works...... you mean to say there will be a LNWR carriage in Gauge 3?

Answer to the D352 query is now on the society forum

http://www.lnwrs.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1132

Cheers

David

Its not, but the man for the job is now on it.

Agree, there are very few photographs of coach roof's around. The ones that spring to mind are the ones taken at Wolverton showing the carriage sidings

Baseboards at roof height, now theres a can of worms you dont want to open ☺

Your welcome Mr Penlan, apologies it took me so long to do.

One member has responded saying he thinks it is a duck board to do with the water filler.

Some more responses might come, but it is the AGM tomorow so I would not expect them for a little bit

In post 6, what livery was the coach in? My suspect would be it was an LMS alteration but it could be an amendment. I would have to check if we have a GA drawing in the archive, it might be in the wolverton carriage diagram books which we now have

Well you have me flumoxed. Can i copy to the LNWRS Forum, suspect Mr Millard will know

Maybe an appeal on here would find someone who has an old body you could butcher? Ive got a scrap b12 body which is no good as the chimney is about 6mm tall sadly

Is there a technology department at your uni? if so might be worth a visit?

Find an old loco body and cut it off that?

Hope this makes some sembalance of sense of a possible idea:

Chimney: If you have a piece of rod of any material at suitable size, file the bottom to a suitable curve to match the smokebox, then glue a slither of plasticard into the curve, trim to square or circle shape. Depandant on how you want the base you could put some filler in where the rod meets the mounting plate and smooth to a curve

Dome: You could sandwich a load of plasticard into a lump (If you glue a load of layers together in one hit gently compress in a vice) and then get the files out and start curving to shape the dome, and the curve for where it will meet the boiler. Would take a bit of doing but might produce something useable?

Dave

Compound, please feel free to meddle in LNWR matters, the more the merrier 

Re the D7. I had had a look in the Wagons 1 book about this and you are right that they used baulks of wood bolted to the sides to stop the slate wagons from moving side to side, presumably as they thought that if they were free to roll 8 inches the motion might derail the main wagon. Would is it be a fair assumption that the baulk of wood was used as a sacrificial lamb, being much easier to replace then repair damage to the wagon sides? 

Interestingly, a ratio D62 Ballast wagon is slightly wide against the D7 drawings, but is within what I would feel acceptable to possibly produce a model of the D7. Suitable Slate Wagons would have to be identified.....

Penlan, what colour are you intending painting the ends of the new brake van? I thought Red was used to identify Ballast brake vans? I think the lettering you require is on the PC sheets available from HMRS.

The D27 wagons are very interesting in design. 1 Round end, with an end door, twin brakes operating one side only with the straight brake lever. Do you know the build date of these 100 wagons? I am guessing that the design was based on a D64 round end loco coal with the opening end door modification to end tipping into a ship maybe? You are a better modeller than me, I just attach the nearest number solebar plate off the sheet, and put the number I actually want on the end

P.S. I still have copies of the "Forty Years of the L&NWR Society including Modelling the LNWR" available at £6 plus P+P at cost for anyone interested.

P.P.S. The D62 is currently back in the paint shop......

http://www.lnwrs.org.uk/GoodsClassLocos/goods_class_menu.php?display_class_details_goods=rspt

For another photo and links to more see the link above

I think your height is right, the curve needs to touch to the splasher better and the front slope is not quite steep enough but the length is good

Wonderful thread and thoroughly enjoying watching the build

But some LNWR dropside wagons had what I would call 'conventional' square-ended headstocks - D3 and D7 (LNWR Wagons Vol 1 photos p. 67 and p. 75) which is why I suggested D3 for the 'mystery' wagon in question.

You learn something new every day, will have to have a look in the book

It would tie in with my thought that these wagons did not have chamfered ends to allow for a greater surface area for the doors to bang against

Now that is an exceptionally interesting photograph. I will have to dig the original out of the societies collection.

I agree that the axleboxes look to be LNWR in spec, and also the buffer that can be seen also looks very much LNWR in style, however the buffer beam is definitely not LNWR as we know it.

Tantalising questions:

Did the LNWR build wagons for private owners? If so to the same design or simplified, i.e. no chamfer on the buffer beam

Did the LNWR Sell older wagons on and its new owner has replaced the buffer beam?

Or, was this standard LNWR design for ballast wagons buffer beams until the adoption of springs, to allow a much bigger surface area for the side to drop against?

An aside point, ballast wagons carried axle box canvas covers to prevent ingress of dust etc. Coal and other minerals are also dusty, so why did they not have the same canvas covers?

David

An awful lot of LNWR stations had 10ft wagon turntables so wagons just got sent anyway around to destinations where they could be turned if required.

This was one of the reasons why the LNWR was loathe to build larger capacity wagons with bigger wheelbases as it would have meant much infrastructure work as well. Hence why in Wagons Volume 2 you have the experimental wagon diagrams 34-37

The intended vehicle is as Compound guessed a D77 42FT Picnic Saloon. Quite a while back now I bought a PC coach built off someone and also some additional coach sides only, and it included a set of D77 sides. I was then lucky enough to be sent two ratio coach kits which have allowed for this build to happen

So far, the underframe has been shortened down to 42ft by trimming off material at both ends, with the sides then also being cut down to 42ft as well, then the detail filed off, and the uprights which form the widows removed as they would have fouled the large windows. The Ends are unchanged as the D77 was a corridor vehicle, so the body was glued together to form the basic frame. This was then attached to the underframe.

Next, two more ratio ends were shaped and fitted to form the partitions for the toilets which were at each end of the coach. Doors were cut from plasticard, cemented to the flat side, painted and then the units were cemented in place. The central partition which divides the coach into two was formed from two internal full width sections cemented back to back, and then glued into place. This should have a sliding door to allow passage between the two areas, but the first attempt where I sandwiched a thin sheet of platicard between the two sections, with them cut to show the internal door partially open, left the structure feeling very flimsy, so for strength reasons only in the centre of the coach I reverted to the full pieces

8 Number benches were made from plasticard, with the bench seat resting on a full length piece of wood (Candy cane stick rescued from a shop long ago), and the end shaped and super glued to the end. These were then painted before fitting. Two tables have been made by gluing two pieces of wood together, a larger area piece of plasticard over the top, and then 4 legs made from L section to the wood underneath. These were also painted before fitting to the floor.  

Bogies are as usual for me Stevenson Coaches whitemetal units to add some weight.

Next jobs: Roof to be shortened, some filling to take place, and add vents etc. The underframe will need detailing and once I have made two more tables the sides can be fitted. Ends need the second part of the corridor connection fitting, and when I get some black paint the buffer beams painting as well

Can you tell what it is yet?

Could do - but I'm in danger of becoming interested - see my post on your thread...

Careful, if you get too interested I shall have to send you an LNWR Society membership leaflet

Incidentally of late we have had a series by Peter Ellis on the LNWR Wagon numbering system

CD was central division based at Crewe, NWD was North Wales District, based at Bangor, and the letters should be spaced at 30inches on the central panel, found out after I had lettered it, got away with it until now lol

It us on my mind to re-letter when I next have a batch of wagons to letter, which should be fairly soon

If you want to rehome the parts for two ballast wagons then I would be willing to help you out as I am a couple short for projects

I am exceptionally impressed with the L&Y van, now you have added the final fittings it really does look the part, my apologies for not commenting sooner on this fine van

If you have warped plastic again try bending it back while holding in quite warm water, some plastics will give enough for it to become reasonably straight again

How did you find the L&NWRs journal?