palmsticks

10 minutes ago, RapidoCorbs said:

 

Bonny loco, propa belta of a video!

Deleted.  Apologies.

There are (hopefully) going to be some wonderful GC engines at Eastleigh this summer...

https://www.steamtrain.co.uk/

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=772752928184183&set=gm.1351924072026203

FYI:

Radio 4 PM this evening (Wednesday 24/01/2024) at around 1725, Evan Davis did a piece on how cancelling HS2 phase 2 will throttle rail freight capacity bringing this news to a wider audience.  Now up on BBC sounds here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001vmcn at around 20m15s into recording.

#daventry international rail freight terminal

#MaggieSimpson https://rfg.org.uk/team/maggie-simpson-obe/

#RobinWoodbridge https://www.prologis.co.uk/who-we-are/our-people/robin-woodbridge

#TimShoverller https://www.freightliner.co.uk/about-us/our-executive-team/

While looking for information concerning A4 chime whistles (specifically, 4492 Dominion of New Zealand's NZR Nathan 5 note chime), I came across a rather wonderful video on YouTube of Peter Townend talking with Roland Kennington at Southall in 2011 about the identity change of Bittern to DoNZ.

Well worth a watch if you are interested in the LNER coronation train:

and when you've seen that one, watch this one about Peter:

3 hours ago, adb968008 said:

It definitely wasnt me, I wasnt born in ‘63.

I do recall several times being told however 193 had DoNZs whistle, I dont think it was a secret.

Theres a transacord recording of its whistle at speed that matches closely too.

 

Afaik, 193’s whistle was borrowed for use on NWGB no1 on the ELRs first ever train run to Rawtenstall., I was on that train.

You can see the whistle clearly here, but without part of the base.

 

 

 

When they blew it the pressure gauge dropped on this poorly thing

 

This would be 1990. I doubt the then owner of 193 would be alive now, he was quite elderly then. 193 arrived from the SVR I recall, but I dont know where 193 went next, but the Barclay was pretty much done and out of ticket after this, I dont think its run since.

Nice picture and lovely story.  I would love to track down that transacord recording and have a listen.

I did find somewhere that the 193 is under overhall but I've misplaced the link amongst the 10000 tabs I seem to have open dedicated to whistles (Mrs P thinks I've gone loopy). When I find it again, I shall try to get in touch. 

Anyway, studying the pic of the Barclay, I'm not so sure that is a NZR whistle.  It looks too tall (or not fat enough).  Difficult to gauge as its sticking up in the air on such a small engine, and that is a lot of whistle.  It has the stepped feature of the different length tubes for each note but missing the "fins" around like the NZR whistle.  It looks from the picture that the number of step is even - although this could just be the angle of the pic, but if so I would hazard a guess that the it is a 4 note chime rather than the 5 of the NZR or the 3 of the typical South African Railways.  I intially thought the SAR was a good match for it but now I'm not so sure.  It may well be that i've whistling up the wrong tree.

Found some nices pics of 4492/60013 Dominion of New Zealand with NZR whistle that make for an interesting comparison and are similar to what I remember on top of Ja1275 - although I don't have a picture. Edit: yes I do!

From the LNER forum

From Flickr

4492 Dominion of New Zealand as originally fitted with the Crosby 3 not chime before 1939 when it was fitted with the NZR whistle 5 note Nathan(?) chime - (There is a nice pic of DoNZ in LNER livery with NZR whistle Yeadon's Vol2, pg 30)

For completeness, here is a link for a typical SAR 3 note chime:

https://www.gwra.co.uk/auctions/south-african-railways-triple-tone-chime-whistle-a-2009nov-0465.html

Brand new NZR 5 note chime:

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=5196901923671887&set=pcb.5196902437005169

Edit: Turns out I do have a picture of Ja1275s whistle!

Thats probably all I have on DoNZ's whistle.  Probably should get back to fancy dressed up Sandringhams before someone notices and tells me to go whistle...

24 minutes ago, palmsticks said:

Thanks for that - how did you find it so fast on brsince78?

 

Playing them back, i'd agree with you that your youtube link of Hunslet no. 193 'Shropshire' sounds more similar to the brsince78 60013 than that quartet of A4 Crosby-esque whistles.  However, I read on the LNER forum that 4492/60013 Dominion of New Zealand's NZR whistle was stolen together with 4489/60010 Dominon of Canada's CPR whistle from Porthmadog in c1963 and never recovered (see link below, post by stembok » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:29).  Do you know if it turned up then? Is it still with no. 193 'Shropshire'?  I wonder what got fittet to 4489/60010  when it got cosmetically restored for the Great Gathering?  So many questions!

 

https://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3471&hilit=new+zealand+whistle

 

Soz everyone, this whistling business is a bit off topic but please forgive a little tenuous indulgence!

For those interested: fascinating thread regards 4489/60010 Dominon of Canada's restoration with commentators addressing the origin of the the CPR whistle fitted during the 2013 cosmetic restoration not originally fitted to the A4 but of similar (same?) type:

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/forums/topic/86569-4489-dominion-of-canada/

Also, nice slide show of the 2013 cosmetic restoration. 

Now just need to know what happedned to 4492/60013 Dominion of New Zealand's NZR whistle...

2 hours ago, adb968008 said:

Heres a 1960’s recording.

http://www.brsince78.co.uk/60013.mp3

 

quite different to the 4 sounded on the 60007 link above.

Aiui 60013 had a whistle from New Zealand, rather than a standard A4 whistle.

 

 

Thanks for that - how did you find it so fast on brsince78?

Playing them back, i'd agree with you that your youtube link of Hunslet no. 193 'Shropshire' sounds more similar to the brsince78 60013 than that quartet of A4 Crosby-esque whistles.  However, I read on the LNER forum that 4492/60013 Dominion of New Zealand's NZR whistle was stolen together with 4489/60010 Dominon of Canada's CPR whistle from Porthmadog in c1963 and never recovered (see link below, post by stembok » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:29).  Do you know if it turned up then? Is it still with no. 193 'Shropshire'?  I wonder what got fittet to 4489/60010  when it got cosmetically restored for the Great Gathering?  So many questions!

https://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3471&hilit=new+zealand+whistle

Soz everyone, this whistling business is a bit off topic but please forgive a little tenuous indulgence!

29 minutes ago, adb968008 said:

nice, Sparrowhawk, Quicksilver and Woodcock.

 

I can raise you Dominion of New Zealand, it ended up on a J94 at the ELR in the 1990’s…

https://youtu.be/s0pNS3KhxWE?si=L3bRJqNuFa0ts-Ak

 

 

Beautiful! Was Hunslet no. 193 'Shropshire' fitted with the New Zealand Railways whistle?  It sounds like BR(E) Crosby replica?

I always liked the NZR whistle ever since messing with Ja1275 in 2005 :)

The stack talk from those industial engines is wonderful!

3 hours ago, adb968008 said:

Whats with the wavy line under the handrail along the boiler on the black one ?

 

Looks like a set of “train of lights” LEDs ?

😀

I think it is the cable for operating the whistle,  like on an A4, the whistle / atomiser steam supply fitting is on the left hand side of the smokebox.  It is interesting that the designer of the model has modelled it haphazardly drapped across 61670 and also modelled a different fitting on the smokebox compared to 2859. 

Also, the two whistles are different: 2859 having a Crosby chime (like the A4s and P2s) in LNER condition and 61670 having a bell whistle in BR condition.  Presuably, like the A4s, the B17/5 lost their Crosby whistles during World War 2 because of the supposedly similar sound of an air raid siren.

It would be good if someone who has Yeadon's Register Vol 5 or RCTS Locomotives of the LNER bol 2B could have a look to confirm.

More here somewhere for A4 chime whistles:

https://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8897

The Daddy of whistles:

http://www.crosby-steam.com/csw.htm

Because:

4 hours ago, rogerzilla said:

 

They look great!  Is the removal of the valances prototypical?  They only existed for a very short time as streamlined BR locos, although I guess (as with the A4) the valances were removed by the LNER during WW2.

From some replies earlier in the thread:

This reply from @Tramshed might be helpful re valances and livery:

On 10/01/2023 at 07:27, Tramshed said:

The B17/5 is welcome news for GE fans. However, I note the CAD shows the loco without side skirting while the photo shows it in pre-war condition. The Hornby site suggests both 2859 in pre-war and 61670 in BR condition are to be released. The CAD is an unfortunate hybrid since 61670 retained the curve behind the cylinders and the CAD omits this.

 

There is also a potential livery error looming with respect to the BR version if this is presented in ‘apple green’. Here is what the RCTS volume says about it:

 

Only one of the streamlined engines, No.61659, received L.N.E.R. green with “BRITISH RAILWAYS” in full. No. 61670 was never repainted green while still streamlined and continued to run in unlined black, but since August 1948 with “BRITISH RAILWAYS” on the tender.

 

I share this in the hope it is helpful to the manufacturer who might shift a few more units among those seeking accuracy.

and @Downer

On 10/01/2023 at 09:01, Downer said:

Will be interesting to see which liveries they settle on. The list which came out prematurely in Hornby Mag had two green versions, East Anglian pre-war LNER and City of London post-war BR. As the latter would be wrong - it remained black - they might want to think about swapping them over, then they could be apple green in LNER and BR guise.  I’d prefer a black one myself, ugly as it was it certainly looked different.

and this one from @PaulG has some nice images:

On 11/01/2023 at 11:38, PaulG said:

For my Colchester model railway, I have collected over the years a few photos.

 

Both of these photos were taken at Colchester in 1948 and 1949, and show both streamlined locos. Copyright  marked on pictures

 

Edit

61659: Note the black to smoke-box is a "vertical" join to the LNER green, rather than the green follow the shape of the streamlining as per A4.

 

61670 is in black.

 

On 11/01/2024 at 21:09, Halvarras said:

 

Also I think it looks odd because seeing an "A4" with a whacking great driving wheel under the cab looks so........well, unnatural!

Its the Marketing Man's idea of an A4.

Where the Thinking Man's idea of an A4 is a GCR pom pom

17 minutes ago, Downer said:

In terms of sales, I think Hornby have missed a trick - I suspect more people would be interested in an apple green 61659 with BRITISH RAILWAYS on the tender than the plain black 61670 they plan to release.  

I bet* a can of actual coca-cola, that such a version will be announced in due course as a nice treat...

*=with myself

Meanwhile, 61670 is Batman's B17/5...

Hadn't seen these images before. Presumably renders rather than "photographs". From TMC:

https://www.themodelcentre.com/r30136-21

https://www.themodelcentre.com/r30137-21

4 minutes ago, NHY 581 said:

 

Caledonian 439 0.4.4T. Instant branchline in a box. 'Nuff said. 

 

Rob

Stop it, your making my legs go to jelly!

On 06/01/2024 at 20:52, Legend said:

 Build a proper Caledonian loco instead. A nice Dunalastair or maybe Cardean . 

Absolutely YES and YES!

Although not a Dunalastair, just look at this CR scrumptious beauty...

While not a SECR 01 class and definitely off topic, I was reading in the Caledonian Railway Locomotives: the Classic Years book that the design of the SECR Wainwright D owes its origin to a Dunalastair II.  Not that a Wainwright D is an 01 either... Sorry, sorry, back to topic: lovely blue / green engines!

15 minutes ago, Trevor Hammond said:

I  run on DC but really want a double deflector Earl Marischal. Accepting that the  sound effects etc. Wouldn't work but could I replace the chip with a blanking plate to allow me to run it on D.C. please?

Yes, Hornby seem to recommend that when operating on a traditional DC analogue layout, removing the HM7000 chip and fitting a blanking plate is the way to do it.  The original HM7000 plan was that you should be able run a HM7000 fitted loco on analogue DC layout with the chip left in.  However, it seems there may be unexpected behaviour at low voltages (as well as the more traditional issue as to how pure the DC is coming out of the controller) . 

See this from the Hornby HM7000 website FAQ under compatability:

https://uk.Hornby.com/hm7000/faqs

"Can I run HM7000 on an analogue layout?

Yes, the HM7000 can be set to 'DC Analogue' mode; however, this is not always recommended and it is better to remove the HM7000 from your locomotive and swap it with a blanking plate for analogue control."

For more info on HM7000 stuff see: https://uk.Hornby.com/community/forum/compatible-and-incompatible-power-sources-and-associated-queries-354127?ccm_paging_p=1&ccm_order_by=&ccm_order_by_direction= and there is probably a lot more knowledge on RMweb: https://www.rmweb.co.uk/forums/topic/176499-Hornby-2023-bluetooth-decoders-and-control-system/#comment-5042363

However....

You might not need to do any of that if this is true:

When I looked at the orginal product listing on RMweb (as I find the Horby website a bit rubbish at finding things), the only cat number for 2002 with additional deflectors was the vaporiser version.  But, on listening to the product annoucement video (link below), it would seem that they plan to do a non vaporiser version, so no HM7000 decoder.  Will have to wait and see if the website catches up with this, as hen I last checked it had not. 

As they said in This Island Earth:  "keep watching the skies"

20 hours ago, palmsticks said:

 

 

>>****** UPDATE ******

Listening to the recording of the Hornby 2024 range chat thingy at 46m34s, I think Carl stated that  " we will be releasing that model with smoke deflectors... a non steam version of it [2002]".  So you'll have to wait and see as the year rolls on!

********************<<

 

Just listening to the recording of the Hornby 2024 range chat thingy:  Release date for water vaporiser (so called steam generator) P2s:

r3983ss -   2007 - Prince of Wales = ~Feburary 2024

r30350ss - 2002 - Earl Marischal = ~October 2024

34 minutes ago, Grasslands said:

Is there any likelihood of a non DCC-sound and non-steam generator version of the Earl with big ears appearing or is this the only option we will have to get it? I know Bachmann offer up DCC and non DCC variants of models, but I'm not sure on Hornby's typical approach. 

 

If this is the only version, it is slightly disappointing as I would have happily pre ordered a DC one. I think I would prefer to wait to see how the steam chuff works in demonstration before taking a punt. 

Previously, 2007 was offered in both versions.  However, for 2002 with extra ears, the info released so far suggests only the water vaporiser one - which will of course will work on DC. He says. 

>>****** UPDATE ******

Listening to the recording of the Hornby 2024 range chat thingy at 46m34s, I think Carl stated that  " we will be releasing that model with smoke deflectors... a non steam version of it [2002]".  So you'll have to wait and see as the year rolls on!

********************<<

Hornby had a model running at Warley with the vaporiser to demo it working. Best check the exhibision calender and see if they are going to exhibit.  The show at Alexander Palace 16th - 17th March 2024 surely must be a contender.  Best check the website for who is exhibiting closer to the time: https://www.world-of-railways.co.uk/information/the-london-festival-of-railway-modelling

Otherwise google and youtube is your friend. He are two I found without trying very hard:

31 minutes ago, AdamOrmorod said:

The extra smoke deflectors will come in very handy with the steam generator!

😆  Very good!

It has gone again...

On 30/06/2023 at 17:51, palmsticks said:

MISSING LOCOMOTIVE

Have you seen this engine?

 

 

The steamy vapour making P2 2007 "Prince of Wales" model R3983SS seems to have disappeared off the Hornby website search facility.  Google can find it, however, it is marked with a rather severe red Unavailble label.

https://uk.Hornby.com/products/lner-p2-class-2-8-2-2007-prince-wales-steam-generator-era-11-r3983ss

 

Anybody know if this has been cancelled or has it been temporarily lost down the back of the proverbial sofa?

Well now...  a WITH addition smoke deflectors version! @AdamOrmorod @Hilux5972 @OliverBytham

As seen here:

https://uk.Hornby.com/products/lner-p2-class-2-8-2-2002-earl-marischal-steam-generator-and-extra-smoke-deflectors-era-3-r30350ss?

On 31/07/2023 at 22:44, palmsticks said:

Well now...

 

 

Dear Hattons,

I am so sorry to learn of your news.  I hope your wonderful staff find new employment quickly.  Your business brought joy and fun to the model railway community.  I am so grateful that you coaxed me back into the hobby.

All the best,

D

10 hours ago, RapidoCorbs said:

Well it's the first Friday of the month, so it's time for a rejected livery on our social media posts.

This instalment pontificates on what the O1 might look like in the same livery as P Class 'Bluebell' complete with Bluebell Railway crest.

Looks rather nice, shame really.....

 

Does this count as a different version of improved engine green?

Anyway, as this is a blue engine, I approve. 

You should make this.  Also, everybody knows blue engines are the best... 😋

11 hours ago, Phil Parker said:

From Warley

 

 

I dunno, there's s'thing not quite right about it... I think it's because the livery is wrong - its just not the right shade of crimson lake...