ElectroSoldier

But not any more which is why I said it. If I had been asked before the platforms fell out of use I wouldnt have said it

A multiple unit with a cab on both ends has muddied the waters as to what a reversal is. A reversal and a propelling move are different. A move that has a service move into a station stop and come out of that station over the same track over which it arrived as the same service counts as a reversal. For instance a service that starts at Blackpool North, travels to Preston, stops there and then travels north over Preston Fylde Jn is a reversal.

Did you look at Carnforth station? That has platforms but not on the main line but the WCML does run directly behind the platforms

Liverpool South Parkway - Blackpool North The service starts (or did) at Liverpool South Parkway P4, went to Lime street and had to reverse there to get to the Chat moss line out to Blackpool north.

But the Class 73 doesnt have a large logo on it... So how can it be a large logo livery?

You see the thing about the large logo livery is... well... I kinda has to have a lrage logo.

Didnt the Russians use a loco based on the Kestral to power that weird laster tank "objekt"? They put road wheels on it and used it as a power generator because it was the only one they could find that was powerful enough to do it.

Depends on the times Maybe you could try looking at Ewell West - Raynes Park - Surbiton - Woking - Sailsbury (last leg is a bus) but should take a couple of hours inspite of that

Not something I think about no. I dont need to. My ticket is always valid on any route

Ewell West - London Waterloo London Waterloo - Sailsbury Should take about 2hrs. The problem with the booking engine sites is they will take you over the shortest route available, it might not seem the shortest but it is the shortest in a direct route fashion. Sometimes on the railway its better to back track to a faster train than go directly on a slower train

Engineers trains and the stock used on them in all its various forms were simply that, trains used by engineers to do works,.. A spoil train is an engineers train, so is a train load of ballast in ballast laying hoppers like the Seacow. Not all the departmental trains and stock were used in engineering works. Track inspection trains, rolling workshops, test trains etc etc. A train used to test the OHLE is departmental, while the train used to put the wire up is an engineers train. The weedkiller train is departmental as there is no actual engineering works A tamper is a departmental train used in engineering works so its an engineers train. Or a train or hoppers that is loaded full of ballast and delivers that ballast to the storage yard at Crewe is a departmental train, when that exact same train (same loco same wagons) is loaded up at the same storage yard and takes the ballast to a rail relay job and delivers it to the track is then called an engineers train.

Whats wrong with doing it though? If you dont have any of the lesser thought of DMUs to take the job on then why not put a couple of coaches in a HST and run that. It gets the job done. When you look at it in 2019 all an HST really is is a DMU.

I dont know if its what your looking for as the Executive and Swallow look the same to me but if you watch the start of this video there is a 47 with a part painted headcode box.

Its quite normal for a station that has bay platforms. Portsmouth and South sea have exactly that arrangement, but the main running line is elevated compared to the bays. Hunts cross station in Liverpool has exactly as your diagram shows but with no sidings to the north, there is one to the west though between the running lines.

Shortest I know of is Wrexham General to Wrexham Central (33Ch). Couldnt tell you exactly how far it is for Ryde Esplanade to Pier head.

Sorry I meant the Class 124 DMUs

Yes Tuebrook sidings is the sidings to the north of Edge hill station, its where GBRf run around their Drax trains on the Up and Down Waterloo lines. Arrr now thats interesting because I remember the 40s very well indeed, its where I got my love for them, and the 45s. I didnt know the 124 was doing the route before... The 55s I remember of course. One hell of a thing it was up through Olive Mount cutting they were. How many coaches were they made up of?

Hi guys. I was wondering if somebody could tell me more about the usage of the Class 124 DMU in the North West of England. I recently found a nice old photo of a Class 124 sitting on the Down Waterloo in Tuebrook sidings carrying the head code 1M50 on its blinds. Its BR blue with grey windows and its made up of at least 4 coaches. Can somebody tell me some more about these units in Liverpool as wiki has surprising little about them. I remember little of them in this area. I remember the Class 31 hauled services but not these.

So Ive been doing some research among other things and Ive found in OO scale the layout would be about 20 meters long, even in N Guage Im looking at 10 meters, If I want to include Downhill and Edge hill CS then I just dont have the space. I found an interesting site along the way though. Ill link directly to the site rather than diretly to the plans because its only fair to give credit for the work. https://www.signalbox.org/diagrams.php Change the Show pre-grouping company: drop down menu to London North Western The owner has some rather wonderful track diagrams with signal placing for Olive mount Jn, and the top of the grid ie the grid directly above Pighue Lane Jn.

Thats exactly what I thought big Jim. When I worked there there was always a sense in me that it had at one point been so much more, the "old hands" knew the area from when it was busy but even then it was hard to visualise just how busy, now its almost impossible... I remember the engine shed from when I was a nipper but it wasnt there when I worked there, neither was the iron bridge over the Chat moss, but I remember it, I remember thinking it was so industrial in how it looked. Then after the riots in Toxteth it all came to an end, and it all disapeared so quickly after that. . . Maybe a year later the viaduct with the arches for the engine shed was gone! the track that fed onto the Circle from Allerton was changed, Wavertree junction shows signs of how much more it used to be but its hard to look at it and think what it used to be. That 1 in 23 drop down from the circle at engine shed jn must have made it one of the steepest lines in the country! Not a nice feeling on a wet winters night I bet :-) I remember all the places on the Bootle branch where you could sort of tell there used to be something there. Atlantic dock jn always fascinated me. It always got me that there was no Atlantic dock, it went to Alexandra dock The Canada dock tunnel was free of vegitation back then too, it seems to be over grown now so you cant see it. I wouldnt be surprised if they built a wall to plug up the tunnel too now. Im going to have to start laying out a paper track plan, see how long it would be in n scale.

I wasnt there until the late 80s early 90s. not working there anyway as in at Edge hill, I worked Chester a while and Warrington, did a real short stint at Crewe but then transfered to Edge hill depot and thats where I stayed as far as the PWay work went. I think this area would make thee most amazing layout of all time... Couldnt manage the space in OO... would have to be N guage I think. When I was there it was pretty obvious things were not what they seemed. I remember the circular goods line and I remember it being used but no idea of the year. I remember Shed 8A being there and the viaduct in front of it but its all so much of a haze now. And when youre down on the track walking it looking at fishplates and points, looking up to see where the line used to climb and is just now a landscaped hill that looks like its always been there isnt really on your mind. Were you train crew? I was PWay but not production all the time, I walked from the buffer stops at Lime street to Earlestown, all the Bootle branch to the dock gates, Lime street buffer stops to Sutton Weaver GF (just shy of the M56 bridge), Just short of Halewood to Hightown > Kirkby, Ormskirk (Merseyrail) including a large portion of the maze under the river out past James street. When I was based at Edge hill anyway.

I just had a look and found this. It has changed so much since this picture and when I worked Edge hill its hard to recognise it. You have Olive mount curve on the left that goes on to Pighue box and Olive mount tunnel and Picko 2 > Picko 1 tunnel on the right. The train goes left here and then reverses up over the north tunnel portal of Picko 2 ?

No sorry what I mean is a train coming off the Bootle Branch had to go left at Edge lane jn, through Olive mount tunnel into the headshunt at Olive mount then reverse back towards and use Edge lane jn, this time however to take a left up over the Bootle Branch that goes to Bootle Branch Jn and Piko 2 tunnel then continue climbing up to Exhibition Jn and join the north end of the Circular goods as it came to an end there at Exhibition jn.

So the very bottom right of that picture is the Bootle branch, right goto to Piko1 and Bootle Branch Jn, while left goes to Pighue Ln Jn, into Olive mount cutting etc etc. The reverse run onto the grids was quite steep then, as it had to get up over the line in the amount of space you see in the picture.

Looking at this map in the top right it seems to show a direct connection from Pighue junction on to the gridiron.