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Just been wondering after watching Victor Tanzig on YouTube, he has a concept called Non-Faceless Vehicles to explain Locos that are alive in his Sodor AU. While I am not wanting to run a serious conversation on Thomas here. I am sure we all have opinions on the Blue E2, but it was why I asked this question so I thought I would mention it.
This got me wondering, I know that at some point Rocket was given a modern Smokebox as the remains of the old one sit in the National Collection with a buffer beam and round Smokebox. But that wasn't how it was in the early years of running, at Rainhill it had a tube not a flue with blast pipes. So I wonder what was the first steam engine to be given a proper Smokebox (also is it one or two words? I always say Smokebox but I have been wrong.) and who better to ask then my colleagues in rail history from the birthplace of steam?
Hopefully this will actually be a good discussion, I know my prior posts were a tad vague.
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7 hours ago, New Haven Neil said:
You want odd?
But the chimney isn't square, sorry!
Oh ho ho no no, they do my friend. Have a look.
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17 hours ago, Michael Hodgson said:
Probably better than the variant with the square chimney ....
... bet your tooling can't do that !! 🤣
Hey,
Leave the type 51 alone. 🙃 They are neat!
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2 minutes ago, PaulRhB said:
Works on many languages, there’s a drop-down list, although the translation can vary a bit.Indeed, anything translated by a Google translate is a convenience not a interpreter. 😉
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25 minutes ago, PaulRhB said:
Process on a iPhone, similar on android and pc
open google translate from google, select camera, step by step for each can be googled.
Select French to English then pics from library
Select image to translate
Instant translation 😁
Thank you very much, had no idea this was a thing. Does it work on Japanese too? That is for other projects but it never hurts to ask. Thank you very much I will do that tomorrow on my PC.
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Hey all,
If you have seen it years ago I posted a thread on Pannier Tank engines of Belgium, I got a lot of help back then and a lot of results on finding pictures and articles on them. But I still wanted to find a Specification drawing of the engines. I am still looking for one primarily but I did find that the Belgian Museum of Railways had a PDF of the Type 51 Belgian tank engine, with a diagram drawing of the engine front side and back.
But it isn't that simple is it? It being from Belgium the information is in French, so I wanted to see if anyone could help me translate it. The PDF is attached and it was free from their museum site so I don't think it is against the rules to attach it. If it is I will remove it and link to it directly.
While I only really want the Blueprint Diagrams translated I wouldn't say no to help on the full thing. Anyone want to try?
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8 hours ago, Nick Holliday said:
I wonder if it might be more helpful to us on the other side of the pond if you could provide a better context for what you are after. The references you give are not that helpful to us limeys, so perhaps some examples of the sort of thing you are proposing to manufacture would be useful. Sketches, 3D renderings of early thoughts or even current products you are hoping to emulate/better would all help steer people in the right direction.
You have rather a scattergun approach to your selection of prototypes, which seem to be on a personal fancy rather than part of a robust marketing strategy. The GER A55 Decapod/0-8-0 is a very strange choice. One prototype example which had limited life and activity in either incarnation, and the Beattie Well tank hardly flew off the shelves when produced in 00. There must have been hundreds of UK standard gauge locomotive designs, and thousands of wagon and coach designs, and plans of various levels of detail are available for a large number of them. Perhaps you could cast your net wider, or outline your ideal selection criteria, which might assist contributors here to point you in a suitable direction.
However, if you are aspiring to A C Gilbert levels of modelling (American Flyer) then prototypical accuracy seems a low priority, and the addition of faces is hardly finescale, and likely to get the owners of Thomas's copyright up in arms. Your proposed scale, at 1/18 or around 16mm to the foot, has great potential for detail, but your comment "As my needs for them are for designing toys the frames are not fully needed" whatever 'frames' means, suggests this is not high on your agenda.
As 16mm is a relatively common scale for narrow gauge modelling, often 2' gauge on 0 gauge (32mm) track, it might be sensible to consider this as an alternative. Smaller locos and coaches - after all a scale model of a BR bogie coach would be a hefty 42" long, whereas a typical NG coach would be a more handleable size and generally a greater potential play-factor.
You bring up a very valid note, I have been quite mixed in my messages. First the 1/18 scale I mentioned is for the action figures only. As for being like A.C. Gilbert I mean more along the lines of how he is portrayed in "The Man who Saved Christmas" staring Jason Alexander (recommended watching for anyone as it is not strictly a holiday movie, but more a stand firm on your principles movie) building up from nothing to something.
The locomotives are going to be hybridization between Matchbox and the Thomas Ertl line. Those that own Thomas I am aware Mattel could try something but Trains with faces predates Thomas and at this point would be like Universal Vs. Nintendo on Kong. They certainly didn't act on the British Railway Stories which has locomotives with white faces exactly like Thomas. I am looking into said matter to be absolutely sure but face bearing trains has long been a thing that is Awdry based.
On frames that is just me being Pedantic I suppose, I like to know how a locomotive looks but as you say toys don't need such detail.
Again I will say it is a bit naive, but I honestly want to build a company to make toys, I have had a lot of support in enthusiasm from others. Nothing ventured nothing earned.
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21 hours ago, Compound2632 said:
Have you tried joining the GER Society to access the enormous amount of information and knowledge they have?
I will look into it. I hope it goes well. Thank you.
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6 hours ago, phil_sutters said:
Current subscribers to Railway Modeller have access to the complete online archive of that magazine. If you can find a subscriber in your area may be they could access it for you.
In 1985 Model Railway Constructor published a 'Model Drawings Reference Book' listing drawings up to that date, across all the four magazines in publication in that era. Whether there are any copies out there I don't know.
That may be a problem, I live in the states.
8 hours ago, Aire Head said:Patreon to do what?
Going to be getting into toy making, may sound silly but I wanna try to be a modern A.C. Gilbert building up my company through the help of design, prototyping and more for my company Dash Terrier Creations. I am aiming to bring 1/18 scale (ish) 5POA action figures back into the kid market. Hasbro are only catering to nostalgia and not kids to adults, my first line is called Teganji: Toys Alive and yes alongside the action figures I will have face bearing toy trains.
Mattel is slacking and I want quality not quantity. I know sounds a bit naive but I know worse YouTube makers, and I will be glad to have a community to help see this through. So long as I can beat the standards of NECA (they can't even call those chunks jointed statues they break at a gust of wind) I have had a lot of encouragement, the only reason I have been slow at starting is pain issues I hope to get help with ASAP.
7 hours ago, 33C said:Railway Modeller and Model Railway Constructor had lots of plans. Is there an archive?
I hope so.
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1 hour ago, Compound2632 said:
You asked about this 18 months ago. Does it need a new topic?
I forgot about that, sorry. Can we merge the topics? Truly am so sorry about that.
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35 minutes ago, stewartingram said:
I can't help with your 'wants', but a long deceased pal of mine made a passable model of the rebuild using a Bec J17 body on an 0-8-0 chassis backin the early 70s.(00 of course). Unusual model.
Wants, sounds a tiny bit entitled. If I came off that way I am sorry, and would love to see that model if you have photos. Sorry for your loss, don't care how long ago it may have been your friend is missed and that is no lie.
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Hey all,
Sorry about my recent drawings post, I am still finding good resources hard to find but that isn't what I'm here for today. Nah nah, I was wanting to do some research on the good old A55 and A55r aka the GER titan. My main thing is I recently came across a photo of A55r and it is clear to me that the assembly under her running board is different as far as I can tell to the original build.
I know the A55r used far less of the Decapod than most think, which also got me thinking are the boiler diameters and Smoke Box even the same? I want to make the engines for my projects and well I only know full details of Decapod. I hope this post isn't too similar to a older post I ran, asking about the buffer beam and all. But that was ages ago and I have more questions than answers this time.
Oh before I forget does anyone know of more photos of either A55 or A55r the exhaust on A55r looks off was the smoke box flanked by two large rectangular chambers? In every photo I can find remotely showing her front at angle they look like bent smoke deflectors but perspective.
Also I would love to see the infamous picture of both in the workshop. But I understand if no one has it.
Thank you all and have a good one,
Joey
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9 hours ago, Il Grifone said:
There's always Google translate.
I don't think it's supposed to be a Giesl ejector as these are flat sided, but it's not a lot like a spark arrestor either. Hopefully the original chimney is still underneath!
It's not my problem though. Even allowing for the much reduced carriage to Italy, She's too expensive for me. The family says I have too many trains already, but I don't understand what they mean. I would have thought too many trains is an impossibility!
I see what you mean about Peter Sam!
Quite, I have the same problem. Too expensive to try at the moment and I rather not have a kit bash, if it is expensive for Italy then oh my I don't think I wanna know how much shipping is to the states. Still like I said I can use the images to help design a Custom build industrial tank engine for my own projects.
Yeah that is not Peter Sam, terrible looks like a cloth stretched over his Smoke box door and a bad Photoshop of Nicholas Cage was printed on.
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11 hours ago, phil_sutters said:
Having put this image into Google Lens - it appears to be an old Trix 3-Rail model. There seem to be other similar models about. To use Google Lens - copy your image go to Google images and click on the 'Lens' icon/button at top right - and paste your image into the box.
Thanks, I usually use Yandex but it has a lot of issues with asking to do Captcha. Now I know the name of Google's equivalent will try there.
2 hours ago, Il Grifone said:She appears to be one of these:
It appears someone has committed some unspeakable sin to the chimney and the price and carriage don't seem to be to H0 scale either!
Good lord, if they were going for a Geisle (hope I spelled that right but if not Special Funnel from RWS or Edward Thomas of the Talyllyn formerly*) they failed. That doesn't even look like a balloon style spark arrester. But gives me a clear view of her side I can use that to make a industrial loco design. Will have to translate the German, like many languages I only know a few words and I don't think "quickly" and "Attention" will help.
* Speaking of Edward Thomas I just looked up a photo of him wearing a face for the Peter Sam events why in the name of Awdry does he look like Nicholas Cage?! That is freaky.
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Hello,
I recently found a model engine I think is a freelance toy locomotive, but I kinda like the charm and wanted to know if anyone can tell me where to find the engine for purchase?
If this is in the wrong place please help me put it in the right place.
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On 02/11/2023 at 04:49, Wickham Green too said:
Try an on-line search for whatever locos and trucks you're after ............ appropriate sources ought to emerge without too much further delving.
I have, and 9/10 I get nothing but junk, Google used to give me some results but not much now. Flickr was a ok place but I can't fathom their new search methods. What would you put in the search to find plans? I may be mis-phrasing, thank you for the advice for sure I just might need refinement.
Edit: Ok been looking everywhere and I have not found any good sources. I am looking for a few specific engines but want as many as I can find. I seriously doubt there are any plans for the A55 Decapod but I have found more photos of her and her rebuild that I can build up from. Anyone know of a good set of Beatie Well Tanks plans?
Also I am sorry about bumping. It said I had the option so I gave it a go. Thanks my friends.
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Hey everyone,
Sorry if I am posting in the wrong place, but I want to find some online plans of locomotives. Nearly ready to start my Patreon and have been on the look out for good plans of locos and trucks so I thought I would ask my usual friends.
Black and white, front, back top and such. As my needs for them are for designing toys the frames are not fully needed.
Thanks and if I placed this in the wrong place please put it into the correct place.
Have a good one,
Joey
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On 22/10/2022 at 02:13, Jeremy C said:
1:18 is a rather inconvenient 2/3 inch to the foot, or about 17 mm to the foot. This is probably close enough to 16 mm scale for you to use 16 mm trains to represent narrow gauge (2' on 32 mm gauge track or 2'6" on 45 mm track - the latter may look better in your slightly larger scale). [Edit: if you are using side buffers and chain couplings, then take a look at models of the Talyllyn Railway].
For standard gauge, the closest is 3½". This is the next size up from Gauge 3, and is a model engineering scale, using 3½" gauge track at a scale of 1:16, or 3/4" to the foot. None of the larger scales are used much for true scale models in the way that smaller scales like 00 are. Oh, the locomtives and rolling stock may be represented with great accuracy, but the ralways themselves are mostly outdoor, with a backdrop of full-size flowers and other plants, although many have scale buildings and people in station areas, and maybe scale signals as well. In 3½", though, even this disappears. 3½" is the smallest "ride on" scale.
Hey sorry to bump my topic, I do not like bending the rules or breaking them. But this once I do hope I can be forgiven, just found out about a new (to me) scale that solves my problems possibly. It still uses G/gauge 1 track and is F scale, much like O having a use for smaller gauge modeling (the 2 foot 3 like those in Wales for instance) it is also used for standard gauge locos that is F to G.
The rules typically follow that G scale is used for narrow gauge and F is well you know, i even saw a photo of I think a Mountain type Loco (4-8-4) next to a Denver and Rio Grande loco and now I can understand why the writer I mentioned before as a inspiration for a character from used a D&RG class engine for his story based on a British loading gauge but with a American tender engine, this made that engine look like a Terrier next to the much larger Standard Gauge Prototype.
So yeah may have found a breakthrough, again I am so sorry to bump this. I just wanted to let you all who have been so helpful that I have a idea. Edits aren't as effective in that regard.
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Hey all,
I wanted to ask about this for ages, but only just hit me. I am aware Richard Ince had a small locomotive he once introduced Mark Found to a yellow engine that ran on heat change a small torch placed inside ran it and it was more a concept than a scale model.
Now I would really love to see this engine, which was a kit engine in some better detain more the sides front and back. Not sure how prolific it was I have seen a few YouTube videos with a green one but it is on a test track, it is just a curiosity to be sure but I would really love more information about it.
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On 22/10/2022 at 02:13, Jeremy C said:
1:18 is a rather inconvenient 2/3 inch to the foot, or about 17 mm to the foot. This is probably close enough to 16 mm scale for you to use 16 mm trains to represent narrow gauge (2' on 32 mm gauge track or 2'6" on 45 mm track - the latter may look better in your slightly larger scale). [Edit: if you are using side buffers and chain couplings, then take a look at models of the Talyllyn Railway].
For standard gauge, the closest is 3½". This is the next size up from Gauge 3, and is a model engineering scale, using 3½" gauge track at a scale of 1:16, or 3/4" to the foot. None of the larger scales are used much for true scale models in the way that smaller scales like 00 are. Oh, the locomtives and rolling stock may be represented with great accuracy, but the ralways themselves are mostly outdoor, with a backdrop of full-size flowers and other plants, although many have scale buildings and people in station areas, and maybe scale signals as well. In 3½", though, even this disappears. 3½" is the smallest "ride on" scale.
Well my goal is less to keep accuracy to 90% of my locomotive characters, as I said it is "Toy" trains but I want the characters that are not trains to be able to ride in the coaches and rolling stock. Many of my trains are based off standard gauge classes but that isn't to say "Rivet counter" level, so the toys who would use the trains are 1:18 but the engines and track in story has been 1:32 scale up till now. I am trying to not fall prey to the old "writers have no sense of scale" trope. But the toys of the trains are to be a 1:62 scale as I am pulling a old Matchbox trick the engines are of the toy line but need not be scale correct.
To give you a better idea, think Action Force for the action figures and Thomas Ertl for the train sets. This is meant for story purposes if you take my meaning.
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On 17/10/2022 at 21:33, BR60103 said:
Before this scale modelling fad took off the prime consideration for toy trains was that they would run on your track. Then debate about couplings so you could run different makers' cars together.
Perhaps, considering the idea is a Meta idea for a comic about a world of toys and toy trains that has a lore to it I should consider that. In the story couplings are Screwlink and buffers, or chain and Dumb and I am making the toys with a link sorta like that Mattel (The jerks, yes that is a rail slight due to all the rubbish Awdry's legacy is now)
So could even say for the story that the trains are a 1:18th scale as the action figures the are connected to are that scale. Pardon my babbling just trying to figure a size that can work indoors and out with 1:18 scale living toys in a world mirroring ours.
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Hello all,
I hope this is the best place to post on this subject, I didn't see specific forum sections for my quest. So here goes, I need to figure out something about Gauge 1/g scale and Gauge 3 scales. I have read that Gauge 3 is run on the same track G scale is run on and is more accurate a scale for standard Gauge models. A sort of HO/OO scenario based off the details I have found.
But I have also read that Gauge 3 is slightly wider track and I cannot find a photo side by side, video resource and all those Scale comparison images with tue same loco from the front stat with N and stops at G.
I have always been intending to use G scale for my layout one day but for another project I need better info on Gauge 3 and how it compares.
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On 11/09/2022 at 09:10, The Johnster said:
I’m ‘a tad sad’ myself sometimes; you have my full sympathy 844, black dog is horrible. Reply when you are up to it and be nice to yourself, mate.
Thank you for the understanding, I have been having major depression ups and downs this year. My fault went ferreting when I shouldn't have on certain things. Got some help from my psychologist and a awesome friend from Scotland named Robbert to help me with it.
But I am getting the last few bits together to finally launch my Patreon and Youtube to build my dream of a toy company, Dash Terrier Creations the engine names you all showed me will be my tiers and such. Have gotten a theme song made and now am making a animation for intro and such, I'll be designing characters in a Pixel art style (yes this includes my locos) and once I get enough done I will design their prototypes and possibly 3D sculpt. Many things will be made by hand.
It is a slope as steep as the Lickey but I got hope for a banker like Bertha, that in fact is going to be the name of my second highest tier name.
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On 13/09/2022 at 09:31, Wickham Green too said:
.... or just large lumps of wood instead.
On 13/09/2022 at 09:45, LMS2968 said:That was the point of 'dumb' or 'dead' buffers. They were effectively just lumps of wood and couldn't buffer lock. But they weren't much good at absorbing the impact when wagons were pushed together either, or compressing on the inside of tight curves.
True enough. Dumb Buffers likely were more for gas works and the like where if I ever saw that tight a bend I wouldn't even think Rocket could manage. And the wheel base on Rocket wasn't more than 15 feet with tender? That kind of tightness would require very, very large buffers if sprung so big I imagine it would keep breaking the mounts. But that is my opinion.
Which Loco has the honor of the modern smokebox as we know it from Stephenson
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A wise investment, Rocket didn't just achieve the stipulations of the RHT,it flat out blew them away. When do you think Stephenson added a smokebox to the Rain Hill King, and why if as you all say it would be too much draft to not put out the fire, yet we know thanks to the National Collection it was improved on.
So many grand names to connect to the history of these living machines. Watt was only responsible for using steam in the Earth, but Richard, Stephenson, and so many would give us fire, water, earth and air. The fire sword of alchemy wrought into a creature that has and always will be important to history.
You can't tell me that steam isn't alive, look at Dolgoch how could pure mechanical power run to the terminus of that line with one cylinder, in a downpour of Welsh weather and leaking steam? The steam locomotive earned the name Iron Horse .