844fan

I know it was exceedingly common (most likely to prevent buffer lock after all very short bases here) that industrial tanks had very big buffers. Take the Port of Parr twins you know.

Oh I am glad to see so many ideas. I will reply ASAP been a tad sad for the last few days.

Hey guys,

Just had a random thought after finishing up my new logo for my Toy company start up and Patreon to help out as I show my designs, sculpting and other things. And yes there are trains in my toy making future as I am creating a world with lore around Toys.

Sorry if that sounded like soliciting hahaha, I will not advertise in the wrong places. But I had a nagging question, my mascot for my company is one of my two puppers, a dachshund Terrier mix named Percival Adalric Tripp Nimmo, or Peanut for short so my name for the toy making side is jamed after him and the A1 LBSC tanks "Dash Terrier Creations" but I also want to honor my Beagle Gypsy Andrea Tripp Nimmo and as I want to make a comic telling the story of my toys (Like Action Force and such which my action figures are to be of that style of toy 5PAoA 3 and 1/4 figures)

Heh yeah I dream big, but it just feels perfect (Oh the trains will be 1:62 scale models like the old Matchbox Panniers or the one brand of Thomas toys with the Universal hook coupling) now back to the Railway discusions.

I know Terrier's like Stepney goth their names from their tenacity and the barking puffs they made when pressed but working hard. I also know many Tank Engines mainly 0-4-0ST were called Pugs, but are there any that could work with Beagles or other dog, cat, bear and so on nick names? Also Tue A4s and the Great Bear don't count. 

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On 05/09/2022 at 06:25, Grovenor said:

Here is a drawing of a 2-8-0 frame which might give a clearer picture.

Model Railroader that month, Sept 1972, had a blow by blow article on how to build it.

Ok this I think with the photos will be perfect. This also gives me truck connection points for them too.

Was not expecting such a simple question to bring up such strong response.

Hey ya'll, sorry for the delay. My head was unbearably hurting, haha yeah I have seen many bar framed GWR locos. I will go through an checkout all the replys ASAP.

1 minute ago, jonhall said:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fahrgestell_2_-_Dampflokwerk_Meiningen_-_CC_BY-SA_4.0_-_Ludwig,_Silvio.jpg

 

Jon

Ok just to make sure my cross fed brain (that is a joke) sees it right on the slots that are larger and lower that is the place to mount axles correct?

On 03/09/2022 at 04:04, kevinlms said:

Good idea, except for the fact that the Class 23s were built before the main fleet of 'Deltics'!

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Maybe a 06 shunter would be the result. 

Seriously though correct me if I am wrong, your question pertains to the double cab ends on a Deltic? If so I can't help you there to me both ends would be the face end. But this isn't Sodor so I truly don't know. 

I like Deltics especially the first one, that livery of blue was so awesome. But I am a steam lover first and that can't help as much on Diesel types. Hope you can get the info you need my friend.

4 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

 

Do you see where the vertical bits of bar are? Where they are in pairs, that's where the axlebox goes.

Pardon my silliness, I just feel bad for even asking about Frames. Been a lover of rails sInce Shinig Time Station with Ringo. Only learned five years ago how injectors work, it was exactly as I had thought but well more involved (My concept was very childish in under standing the principal) 

But I think I see, can anyone give me a good view of bar frames like Sheffield did, but with the wheels out of the way?  Also Sheffield is that by chance a Märklin chassis? I know they aren't the only producer of that arrangement but I ticks quite a few notes in my head on Märklin.

On 02/09/2022 at 21:03, 844fan said:

Hey guys been a while,

I finally am getting parts for my construction of my first loco prototype and I realized something.I have never properly seen a Bar frame locomotive properly, by which I mean the bare frame that holds the wheels and body. I have seen Plate frame in model making as I focused a lot on UK based locos and all, but I have a few that are American designs and while at the end of the day the engines I am making are toys I want to put them together wih proper looking frames.

 

So can anyone by chance show me some bare bbar frames and bare plate frames with notes telling where axels are placed and such? Man I feel like a greenhorn asking this but I know this community is great in helping me find just what I need. Thank you all

Very nice my friends, though I still am having a hard time figuring where the axles would be placed on a fresh frame. 

Hey guys been a while,

I finally am getting parts for my construction of my first loco prototype and I realized something.I have never properly seen a Bar frame locomotive properly, by which I mean the bare frame that holds the wheels and body. I have seen Plate frame in model making as I focused a lot on UK based locos and all, but I have a few that are American designs and while at the end of the day the engines I am making are toys I want to put them together wih proper looking frames.

So can anyone by chance show me some bare bbar frames and bare plate frames with notes telling where axels are placed and such? Man I feel like a greenhorn asking this but I know this community is great in helping me find just what I need. Thank you all

2 hours ago, mdvle said:

 

Some searching revealed some photos and a bit of info but no specific data - not a surprise given how poorly documented so much of the older stuff is when you get into the smaller railroads.

 

As for RS 15, the RS Railway modified it from after purchase - it was originally a 0-4-0T that eventually got turned into what you apparently like in its 0-4-2T

 

At a guess the side items added were likely in bad shape and thus it was easier and cheaper to simply remove them - flat top surfaces are always problematic (particularly for outdoor display items) given water pooling and the freeze/thaw cycle that happens multiple times each winter.

 

These are the links to photos that I found in case they help:

 

http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/RS/roster_steam.htm

 

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/locThumbs.aspx?id=170177

 

That is awesome!

I will have to agree the false/temporary tanks were chucked in the bin when she was restored. But there is some excellent potential to make a scale drawing if any of your photos are frm the side where we can ratio them out with the front photo and her bunker photos!

Hey all my friends, I am working on finding out some info about two of my favorite locomotives. 

One is a old war horse from the US named Memnon, I have bee trying my best to find much about her and I really need good details on her driving rods and the angle that her cylinder is towards her running boards. Oddly I thought I had made a breakthrough and found a model based on the B&O L class (Memnon's class design) but I can't examine her well due to the game Railway Empire's not being easy to rip. So I thought maybe you guys can help me in a more traditional way.

Now the Tank engine Has been minorly annoying, the engine I can rough out I think from the side view I found but I really like knowing a locos wheel sizes or crank pin spacing to get them more akin to the real loco.

I know she is on display in Canada, but at the moment of posting her current design. Also they removed the side tanks. I have no idea why but and version I make will be based on her true face as seen here. Anyway sorry for the oddly worded post this time, Just about ready to go to bed an hurt my knee so I had to take half a paill and it took a moment for them to get my head off the pain.

Hope you guys can help and here are two photos of said engines. Enjoy. Memnon is first and RS is second.

5 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

I presume you've read the article on these two engines on the Great Eastern Railway Society's website. You seem to be right in focusing your questions on the front buffer beam, since this appears to have been one of the few parts of the 0-10-0T used in the 0-8-0; quoting from that article:

 

"The ‘rebuilding’ was very much an accounting exercise, for very little of the original locomotive was actually re-used. Indeed, a photograph recently came to light showing the 0-8-0 complete with indicator shelters for initial testing, standing in one of the workshops alongside the original engine, still largely complete. The components that were re-used appear to have consisted of the two outside cylinders, the front buffer beam, and four of the five wheel-sets, which must have been heavily-modified as regards quartering and balancing. The motion appears to have been completely new, although the shorter connecting rods were made to resemble the originals in form! The boiler was a ‘stretched’ version of the current Belpaire ‘Claud’ boiler which – even then – appeared to be too short for the frames."

As I thought, thank you very much, Hurricane to my new engine it it.

Also I do find the info on her second Firebox  great, I was wanting to know the name of the Horseshoe/ round top firebox is called. 

Thanks again though.

Hey all,

Been thinking about 0-8-0 tender engines and I know the Decapod was "Rebuilt" into a strange looking tender locomotive and I want to find out a fey things for my toy making. Speaking of modeling, on coupling rods if you want them to look scratched up like a working engine might have after a few years of hard work that, like a 0-4-0  outside cylinder would you go with a Brushed metal or scratched in circulation patterns to make the weathering.

Anyway my first question is were the buffer beams of the Decapod and her rebuild the same shape? I would think so but then again 80% of the Decapod has been seen inside the workshop from what I know, so the running boards could even be completely different.  Also the style of Firebox that Decapod carried is quite similar to the A1/3 and A4 type only much bigger. Was that style named like the square shaped Belpair Firebox? Just curious.

As is well known I love oddities, and the A55 is one for sure.

Ok my friends, I got the issue and the drawaing is perfect. Been wondering though should I scan it in and make it Public? I know so many people who would love the drawings so they can make models of her, but then I also know that this article while decades old was given permission.

So advice time once more is it legal or not to share? Granted I wouldn't be getting a dime of money it still isn't mine personally I just own a copy. 

On 19/04/2022 at 06:12, Steamport Southport said:

 

Don't worry about it.  🙂

 

 If you look at the buildings at the time then I would say a coating of filth was the only colour you would see. So the "sepia toned" print probably isn't far off.

 

With it getting an occasional clean like the photo above.

 

I would say this is it's normal condition, filthy.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/16896988@N08/6563993025

 

 

Jason

I suspect it a bit like Nicotine, I know that horrid stuff can stain glass and such and give it a gross tooth rot color. She was a shunter after all and we know they weren't as clean as engines running mainline services. Still given just how much she did you would think a little more respect would allowed. 

Ah lazyness I suppose on some lines, not everyone understands a engine well. Even crews sometimes just gave them little respect, hence why boiler explosions happened often as not. 

7 hours ago, cnw6847 said:

Its amazing a decent model of NO.3 hasn't been done. 

 

Would be a very popular model.

Amen to that. Imagine the custom possibilities, a Jules Verne Train model without sacrificing a Hooterville Cannonball. By the way way thanks for the the issue number of the NG&SL I found a great condition copy and am just waiting for it to ship from Pennsylvania.

19 hours ago, cnw6847 said:

Arbor Models brought out a kit for Sierra No3 but was very difficult to get together successfully apparantly.

 

Plans have been in the Narrow Gauge And Shortline Gazette Published in the January/February 1991 issue 

Yeah the only model I know of that works is the old Tyco HO scale version, but it is a model from ages ago so details are not 100% even if very close. I'll have to see if I can find that issue, doesn't seem to be rare just not sure if it is the exact issue. 

19 minutes ago, autocoach said:

One of the best places to start would be the California State Railway Museum. The Museum owns the real Sierra #3 as part of the Jamestown (California) Railtown 1897 State Historic Park site collection with the shops of the original Sierra Railway (not Railroad) and 10 miles of operating trackage. It is currently listed as in service but only steamed on special occasions. It's not as if the engine is unknown having been used in countless movies and TV shows as far back as 1929. (Think "Back to the Future Part 3 and Petticoat Junction.) In real life is an oil burner not coal or wood as portrayed in movies. 

 

There is the very well known (in the US) Mantua later Tyco model from the 1960's which was not quite correct HO scale being more OO scale in proportions. Hundreds of thousands were probably produced and it was for 40 years a toy train set favorite. Toy collector or the US version of eBay should bring you hundreds of listings.

 

Happy hunting and check with the museum who probably has the drawings.

I'll give it a go, you are quite right she is at least as well known as Flying Scotsman and is just as unique. Still everyone feel free to help if you can. 

Hey all,

Bit of a odd question here from me, but as many of you know I am a child of Sodor even though I am a yank I grew up on engines with buffers, Trucks with only four wheels and always wondered why the big freight trains didn't have buffers, and much more. As a adult I know it was because Trains were born in the United Kingdom, and Thomas was a British locomotive, not a US built giant.

So long story short whenever I plan designs or make models for railways it is always gonna have some clash, nowhere near what Hit entertainment did (Seriously a Blue Ridge class is awesome but Sodor let alone the Network beyond would ever need so much power or be able to allow them on the rails due to clearance problems) but 1880s or 90s I will make a case to work and give them buffers on the head stocks and screw couplings.

That was not as short as I wanted, but let me properly cut to the chase. One of my all time favorite American Locomotives has been seen at least as much as Flying Scotsman and as famous or close to him. The star of tv shows, and a center of time travel Sierra No. 3! I want to model the engine for a project but I am missing one key bit of information.

That one thing is just how large is that signature gap between her middle and back set of wheels and in turn how long the coupling rods would be for her linkage. As a key part to her looks I want the model for my project to while not fully realistic if I'm honest, want to be as close as possible. 

I live in the center of the US so I am in no way capable of seeing her in person and asking Rail Town. So anyone got a idea?  I wish design prints of locomotives in the US were part of a collection like the Railway Museum in the UK but only the mass produced classes are documented so well.

Hope all is good and take care,

844fan

32 minutes ago, sir douglas said:

he's talking about the advert on the bridge in the background

Ah I see. Well I was fully concerned with the loco, so I never even thought about that. Sorry Steamport, hope it didn't sound rude I was just flummoxed. Yeah definitely file that under flummoxed.

Anyway, that photo I posted is the best colorized picture I can get at the moment but I don't even think it was partly accurate just looks like a sepia tone filter. But I will keep looking. Any one got any thoughts? Oh right I did do another of the front view photo here is it. Blasted watermark I do what I want when the image in question is creative commons. Ownership I respect hence my not posting the photo I tried where only the trees got color. It is not for sharing per wishes of the owner and I just want to add it to my personal collection no harm intended. 

1 hour ago, Steamport Southport said:

 

11 hours ago, Michael Edge said:

If I ever build it for Herculaneum Dock I'll have to make some sort of guess about the colour, although it looks black in later photos at Monks Ferry. I had the same problem with its successor, the RH 48DS, but eventually decided it was probably in Ruston's standard green livery.

I tried a few online B/W to color converters and they for no explanation show her in a rusty Amber. Granted another photo I tried which to my eye is a Southern Livery like the Drummond era only gets the color of the trees right. Says I need a premium version to color any of the rest of the photo. Green might suit her a Brunswick or maybe racing green?

1 hour ago, Steamport Southport said:

WALKER'S FALSTAFF ALES

 

I don't think that's been about for decades!

 

ISTR it was seen as the "dockers drink". Still a few pub signs about in some of the pubs. A couple of old images here.

 

https://www.bridgemanimages.com/en-US/noartistknown/police-try-to-control-fans-in-the-streets-of-liverpool-before-the-premiere-of-the-beatles-film-a/photograph/asset/5100946

 

https://www.prints-online.com/social-liverpool-pub-4366206.html

 

 

Jason

What on the rails are you on about? That besides being in Liverpool has not a single connection to Polly. Also my first quote of your post was a mistake and I didn't try to mess with it but erased it as best I could. Sorry.

9 hours ago, Michael Edge said:

I still have no idea of the colour Polly was on the LOR - certainly not black in this photo, the cab is clearly not the same colour as the smokebox. It might well not ave had red buffer beams either, the LOR trains only had small splashes of red on the truss rod ends. Polly doesn't have the LOR central buffers which seem to been added later.

Truth is unless we have a program on computer which can tell what color the shades of grey were we may probably never know. I mean we all know why the house in the Adams' family showed up so well was due to bright pink paint.

37 minutes ago, LMS2968 said:

Buffer beams varied with (i) the loading gauge of the lines over which a loco was intended to work; and (ii) the overhang ahead of the fixed wheelbase. The GWR Kings' buffer beams were 8' 6" wide; the SR Lord Nelsons' were 7' 9". 71000's buffer beams finished at the outer edges of the buffer pads, as did the Bulleid Pacifics. Then there's the question of where are you measuring the buffer beam, as many were tapered in towards the bottom or had semi-circular cut-outs to provide clearance at platform level.

 

It all depends. There's no fixed figure.

Hey good to see another old friend, hmm since my toyline literally has living toy trains which can be anything between my before mentioned New Bright Pioneer to a single driver tin plate I should stick with just buffer alignment which has a standard mount width. Now I need to find some diagrams of rolling stock coaches and trucks of all types and set their buffers. 

Again only reasoning I started this thread was to keep a pseudo British, US and European feel to my locos. You'll probably find though I live in the US I don't like the looks of most locos without buffers, guess that comes from my love of Thomas as Awdry wrote it, not that 2d abomination that Mattel are using. 

On 15/04/2022 at 05:04, sir douglas said:

another one came up on facebook about 2 days ago

Very nice! We can see the caps of her cylinders gives good feel of depth.