844fan

Hmm you know all this talk on electric locos made me remember a thought I had a while ago due to my railway not having any Electric powered lines. How feasible would it be to convert a Electric to Diesel Electric? I mean a couple Generators, a good power plant engine and you already have the motors why not?

Ah's rubish you want to make a road vehicle into a rail one it's got to be a Thunderbird or a Delorean. And no Caravans they'd just get in the way of the Gronks. If anyone can tell what I'm referencing I jolly well hope it gives them a good laugh

No no you misunderstood me. I was talking about large American engines being oil fired thus not having a need to clean a smokebox so larger air pumps could be placed on their front. Like this Blue Ridge https://i.pinimg.com/474x/06/07/29/060729ceec05ad04d4f22f6dc2fd4855--steam-locomotive-national-railways.jpg

My my that is a very neat Metrovick you have there.

Yeah that was my thinking too. I've never seen a Westinghouse quite like this and my first guess was a generator as well. Hmm for the tank engine I mentioned it would make sense for a generator to be installed though incase the work place needed a emergency power supply but here it would be kind of superfluous since A. it has no high power head lamps, B. Would most likely use oil lamps, C. I for mainline use and D. you can plainly see it has air brakes from the brake pipe not being ribbed like a Vacuum pump system would need. I think I'll just go with the Generator for my interpretation of Waverley but yeah it is most likely a Westinghouse pump. I have no explanation for the fins either since like you say I'm not a engineer but based off all my father has taught me on electronics and heat sinks that is most definitely what they are for on this pump. I do find it funny how far forward this pump is placed yet it is also out of the way of the Smokebox door something so many large American designs failed to do with they giant sets at the front essentially blocking the face of the engine. I suppose with oil firing you don't need to clean as much in there but still covering the face of a locomotive is down right barbaric.

Hey all, I've been visiting the Imaginary Locomotives thread and I happened upon a photo of a engine thanks to the discussion being on freelance locos with Gooch Valve Gears and it being used as a example. A lovely engine and no mistake but that device on the side of her smokebox has me intrigued due to it's close resemblance of a Industrial tank built by Henry Henry Hughes. The tank engine is Waverley from the Alderney Breakwater for reference and I've been trying to figure out what the device on the tank is and then I saw this loco. I have a sneaking suspicion I know what 030.C.815's is and if so I'm back at square one on figuring out what it is on Waverley but I st am not 100% sure here so does anyone know what it is on 030.C.815 here?

Another factor that works is to cross reference her running number. Never understood the numbering scheme that France, Japan and a few Belgian railways use with the whole "Number.Letter.Number" thing. Keep it simple like 1001 or one of my personal favorites 4014. Just not sure why they made it complex is all I mean.

How is it racist? I see no mention of Race in the aforementioned post only country. Unless your saying that a Latin based language speaking culture is endemic of their race and not merely a point of where they were born and raised which in of itself is borderline racist too.

Coffee pot maybe? Java is the thing to wake up to and keep you going and let's face it that size of a pot could keep a whole yard awake. But I'm not interested in domes I just want to know what the blazes that mechanical thing is next to the smokebox! Hmm do you guys mind if I use that photo over in the Prototype section? Better place to ask there since this is for Imaginary/freelance designs. Speaking of I do have a plan for a modified Paget 2-6-2 loco. Quite simply that engines outside looks with a normal (if large) Firebox and normal inside motions and not the experimental Steam Motor and Jack Shaft rig. I'll be making a line drawing soon.

Are we seriously stooping to culinary humor?

It does look interesting but is it a vac pump or what? That is the big question here.

Whoa whoa whoa! That apparatus on that loco's Smokebox what is it?! I have seen something very similar on a Henry Huges Industrial and by the looks of this it could be the same kind of machine. Unless and I'm betting my assumption is right that it is a brake pump then it can't be the same as the engine I mentioned had nor fitted Brakes only it's hand brake and a van for it's trains.

Ok I know this topic is old and I do hope you'll pardon me for bumping it like a shunted truck but I had a thought about the photo of Waverley from the link in my OP. First off as sad as I am to admit it I have decided to try my best at designing a reasonable look alike of the tank engine given that I have only that photo to go off of and not a measurement to find. So while I'm going to do it as close as I can it technically will be a freelanced design. I've already decided to find a fellow Hughes 0-4-0 from my recent purchase of "Chronicles of Bolton Sidings" which has so many great diagrams. But there is one thing about Waverley that is the proverbial elephant in the room and that is the small motor/pump/feed/flywheel thing on her smokebox. I have never seen anything like it and I'm just wondering what kind of device it could be and what I could use as a reasonable replacement as far as looks. If my eye serves me well from what I see the device is fully enclosed like it was a envelope or a Dome cover like case.

Quite a lovely livery for your little Kitson. For my Kitson I'm going for a blue with white and teal stripes and lining much like how the photo you showed (I think it was you so pardon me if I am wrong) on the Kitson topic. I think it'll look quite smart and while the blue will be a differnt shade I got the idea from Bluebell the P class who is the namesake of her railway. Bluebells forever!

Oh nice Sam. Maybe a future project for modeling be quite interesting to see a Neilson with your Kitson tank. Boy would I love to see those drawings.

Hey all, I'm working on something for a friend and I need some details to help me make accurate representations. Now given the subject I'm not 100% sure this belongs in the UK Prototypes section since I'm not sure what the proper stance on The Isle of Man on whether or not it falls under UK Prototype so if I've posted this in the wrong section please forgive my mistake and have it moved to the proper place please. Anyway I'm working on some scale drawings for a friend. Now with me the drawings are done in Pixel art and colored up but they are in scale. My friend is quite interested in the Beyer, Peacock and Company 2-4-0 Tank engines of the Isle of Man in particular Loch and Sutherland. Now I know what their wheel size is well the drivers anyway but I need a better reference point like how long they are from headstock to headstock, How tall are their funnels and what ever else I can get my hands on to make them as accurate as possible. Does anyone perhaps know of a set of drawings of this loco class? I just want to get this done right as it is a gift and I don't want to make something subpar. Any help would be much appreciated and again I do hope I posted this in the correct place since again the Isle of Man is in a kind of grey area that I'm not sure of the only parts of the UK I know beyond a shadow of a doubt is Scotland, England and Wales. Not for a lack of research mind I just couldn't find a straight answer. I mean no offense I promise I just am absolutely unsure. Thank you, 844fan

Well now this is quite interesting to hear. This actually give some credence to a concept I have had some debates about. The fact that the loco was modified to a 0-4-2 just by removing it's rear coupling rods and not automatically having them replaced reminds me of the liberties that were taken in a film recently and yet again I find myself dragging fiction into my topics. What I mean is the recent Thomas special has caused quite a stir in the fan community (Proud to be part of it too) but I'm not talking about the issue everyone else has as I'm perfectly fine with the whole controlling their springs and bouncing (It was in the Railway series with Duncan after all) but that is not my point to being made in this reply here. No my point regarding the new film involves the Decapod character introduced in it The character Hurrican. This loco was chosen for work in a steelworks due to how powerful a Decapod really would of been especially if it still had all it's cylinders and they remained in perfect sync but the writers who try to keep the series grounded in realism while still appealing to young fans notice something about this namely that a Decapod could never take the kind of curves that a steelworks would need. Their solution they made it a 0-6-4 by removing part of the coupling rods between the third set and the fourth set. Due to the rigging they use though they left the rear wheels with coupling rods so they weren't connected to the drive rod but at the same time they followed the motions this is just a quirk of the CG but it makes sense in a way by making the engine a 0-6-4 and the way it worked was much like a radial axel for the rear wheels which would allow quite a bit of leeway for taking sharp bends. Again I really am sorry to bring Thomas up in a serious discussion but that just reminded me of the way it was handled there. Though I'd have to say realisticly the rods remaing on the rear set in this instance makes sense too even if it's not a animation error or shortcut as if you were to turn the Decapod into a 0-6-4 without having new wheels made and onlt had the original drivers you would need to keep the wheels balanced and since it had wheel weights would be unbalanced otherwise. Ok now let's get back on topic. Hmm I think they may have had a few lines that were dual gauge by then as that was the plan for the bridge at... d'oh I think it was the saltash Richard Ince built a lovely replica of the one I'm thinking of and it's been a bit of a bottle neck due to it not being funded for dual gauge as the Mad Bridgeman himself said in Mark Found's Garden Railway. I'm no expert on the GWR either beyond knowing they were the most maverick in terms of design norms they always had to try to stand out and I'm not saying that is wrong quite the opposite otherwise we would never have had Hymaks or Westerns.

Why is it I can find these books all over Abebooks but not one of the Railway series collections for under a hundred? Joking aside looks like I have another book to look into Thanks very much.

Quite a large box tank too compared to the old 0-4-2 "Neil" designs. (I hope you don't mind me nicknameing the old Box Tanks after the one the Rev. Awdry created.)

I still have trouble wraping my head around water injectors and how they work with no moving parts. Is it a syphon effect or some other means of pushing the water through. But if that really is the case then all I need is the brake pipe to be added. As for the surprise thing this loco is American stock converted to work for on a UK railway setup. Therefore while the prototype (Which is small enough for the loading gauge. Don't look at me like I'm hit entertainment.) is real I need to draw new plans for it. It's a mix of fantasy and real world practices you see. So some had dedicated pumps while others did not? Like I said above I have no idea how these no moving part setups work a diagram of it in action would help me understand I'm sure but I don't need to know the full engineering on it unless I intend to build a steam engine and that I will do before I leave this world but not just yet. Though if you have any references on the matter I'd be happy to see them. Most railway enthusiasts should know this already. Early US goods/freight cars also were done this way hence why you will often see that hand crank wheel on boxcars and our Brakevan equivalent the Caboose. Sad to say even with all these rules for keeping a train going and slowing down at the right time we still can't fix the bigest problem that causes accidents and destruction. We just can't fix stupid.

Starting in 1900 on up.

Ok I finally figured out that my railway I'm designing for both modeling and for written media would use Vacuum Braking as typical of it's era and on in a British local. Now all I need is to understand where the brake pumps are usually mounted and what exactly they look like as I may have said before I know what Westinghouse Air Pumps look like and you'll have to forgive me for that seeing as I'm in the US and Air Brakes were the norm here. I do know how the Brake Pipe should look for this at the very least. But I just have no clue on Vacuum Pumps. So if anyone knows good images of both the pump and their typical mounting points on your bog standard loco they would be very much welcome.

Well I'm not sure if this can help me as for the moment I'm not encoding DCC sound. Though the editing of sound clips and methodology are on the same level. Seein as I'm hoping to use these for video productions till I do get to DCC encoding (Long story short I have no room in my house for a layout at this time) would you be willing to coach me in editing these? I recorded the current one myself as a MP3 but it can be reformated to Wav when the time comes. Also before any arguments start on why I posted here when I'm not encoding for DCC is as my friend Olddudders said those with the skill and knowledge I needed would more likely be here and it's technically not false I do plan to encode them onto a chip one day but for now I want to learn how to make the whistles I need for any occasion.

I bit the bullet and purchased the book. The seller has good feedback and they ship internationally so I thought why not. Thanks very much. Hidden gems indeed. Hot tiresome work but built to deliver it really must be said that most industrial designs were much much tougher than many mass produced locos. I can't imagine a Jinty lasting nearly as long in those conditions and we all know Jintys are tough little tank engines.

Ah pitty another engine that fell victim to someone's carelessness not to mention the lives of her crew and anyone who were on either train. Unless they had been using more modern signaling setups and not the old signalbox system if that's the case darn malfunctions. Well that must of been a thrilling ride I must say she looks like she could of given a A3 a decent race. Ah I was born far too late to have had such wonderful opportunity but I hold hope to ride behind all three UP steamers one day and if I'm truly lucky have a view of 844's cab. That lady and me we go back to the very beginning of my love of steam along with a certain blue tank engine who she served to help into my side of the pond. "Reach for the wind, Reach for the whistle go where the railway runs. Reach for the words, Reach for the story follow the Rainbow Sun! To a Shining Time Station, where dreams can come true, your own imagination waiting there for you." Pardon my reminisceing just rembering happier times with my mother. I can't take credit for the photo alone Fenway my friend Walt and his Railway club are the ones who posted it on Deviant Art as it is club property and Walt was the one they gave permission to post it. But I will say your welcome from both of us glad to have given you a look at this beauty.