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Wow I didn't mean to cause a full on wreck of topic here nor a riot so to speak with my Pug comments. The term spread somehow and I first learned of it from Awdry's book myself. But I wasn't trying to imply he was the major reason just a push towards the nickname as it is today. I honestly like the use of Pug for certain tank engines just as I will always have a soft spot for the Terriers which live up to their name fully. Small, Nimble and stronger than they look.

Sam my friend you never fail to amaze me with your finds. That is quite clearly a vertical cylinder geared tank engine and by the looks od it I'd say it is quite close in build to Pugsy. I'd even go out on a limb and say it may even have been her at a earlier time with pannier tanks as opposed to later saddle arrangements the model depicts. I looked up the book in question for a image search on Google and found a photo of the other loco mentioned in that sale. Bristol is quite a interesting little loco too. I'm going to have to look into seeing if Abebooks has a copy of the book who knows may be affordable. Possibly even thanks to the Rev. Awdry helping it's use spread from Scotland. I'm quite aware that Pug was used mainly in the Caladonian, Highland and later LMS territorys and wasn't always a universal term for 0-4-0 STs. I was mearly stating my reasoning for it's origin in the first place. A Pug is a dog with a pushed in face and many steam engines considered Pugs are saddle tanks with the smokebox flush with the tank. In other words a pushed in face just like the dog. But that is just my theory and in all likelyhood it is wrong. It would be a interesting reason if you ask me since I find both kinds of Pugs adorable.

Hey all, Boy I do bounce around in my research. I suppose it just comes from my thirst of knowledge on locomotives and railway's coupled with my ADHD. Anyway for today;s disscusion I was looking for more photos of the French box tank I talked about over here http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/120433-french-plm-0-6-0-cou-cou-shunting-box-tanks-no-1901-80/ and I ran across this A small 0-4-0 saddle tank shunter with a bit of a twist. This little Tank Engine is like a Shay, Climax, Heisler or even Sentinel vertical boilers in that it is a geared drive. The website I found it on http://home.btconnect.com/Enhance-Ecosse/llcase.html says the little engine is based off a Locomotive by the name of Pugsy which is a nice use of the Pug nickname which I think comes from the fact that most 0-4-0 saddle tanks which are most commonly called Pugs just happen to have their smokebox recessed under their tanks. But I digress back to Pugsy the little engine looks adorable and I have a soft spot in my heart for geared locos so anyone know more of the little shunter?

By all means I fully agree. After whay you managed with Rebecca I have total faith in your skill to build it from photos alone. Can't wait to see it my friend.

Ok my friend I have no idea how I missed the name of that wagon but I have to say very clever. Sir Dan is one of my favorite game heros and I could see it as a real company name. Well done indeed I may just have to do this kind of joke with a few of my Wagons.

Such a pitty to lose any engine but one as unique as this is a crime. Rest in peace old girl you did your job and will be remembered.

Wow I guess the US tender evolved from this style of tender. I mean the shape of many engines you'd see in the US in the late 1800s had a very similar shape above the foot plate just much bigger. Oddly the engines we used for branch work at that time were not terribly much bigger than engine of the early grouping era in the UK. Sierra No. 3 with some minor rebuilding (Her second dome needs to be shortened) could easily be within Loading gauge. At least maybe as her body is not much bigger than a Black 5. So it seems our branchlines were more akin to UK mainlines and we really didn go nuts on size till after 1900. A interesting thought if you ask me.

Oddly gives off a American tender feel based off the looks of it. But I have to say it looks like it may a prop it just doesn't look like any I've ever seen of that age.

Well spotted Doug. Hecate the 0-8-0 is one of my favorite Tank designs from that region I don't know but I have plans to use her class as a pilot on my railway. I know she's a bit big to be a Pilot for the average yard but then again I also plan to have a "Big Bertha" for goods work as she was a excellent climber and had power to spare. I have a few areas on my line planed to have steep grades. Nothing as bad as the Lickey or even Gordon's Hill from the RWS but steep enough to warrant her use. My my he must of been a fan of Greek myth too. I could imagine workmen cursing the story when these engines lost their footing indeed.

You know that class really makes me think of Percy. It's the Green honestly because Percy is a Avonside tank built off of GWR Trojan's design as Avonside would have built it and a added bunker. Funnily enough that one of my favorite Dog breeds around is the Pug and I quite enjoy 0-4-0 Saddle Tanks. So I love both kinds of Pugs. Both can be quite loyal to the ones who take care of them. I guess the Colonel was a fan of Greek Myth if I remember rightly in Greek Mythology Hesperides were connected to the divine Golden Apples which could only be picked by a Immortal like a Titan or one of the Olympian Deitys. Granted it's been years since I studied Myth in depth so take that with a grain of salt. Anyway back on topic of Locomotives that engine makes me think again of a small welsh engine in the fact that it looks like a rebuild of the NBR G Class to give it a little more stability. My welsh is atrocious so I will only be able to say It's name starts with T and it was mad by Fletcher and Jennings. The modification thought and Doug's post of the LNER Neilson that was fitted for Tramway work and had a new cab are making a Fiction Neilson Box Tank quite ironic seeing as he carried the Twin of the Welsh Tank home. Ah I see. Now I can see why the name was given to them thos tanks fit the bill of that shape. Also Die-cast construction it's a lost art.

Indeed it is quite a American design as I've never seen it elsewhere beyond the many nations in this hemisphere. Farthest sout I've seen it is Brazil. Thank you very much for that info now I know what they're called. Thats a smart little engine there. I love the color of blue they gave her. She certainly does have a family resemblance to the LNER engines and the "Ogee" tank. May I ask where does that name stem from? Ogee that is not this engines name. Heh. Indeed your quite right. I was thinking of a documentary I saw on Industrial Railways and both Bath Gas Works and the Beckton plant were mentioned. I simply reversed what line was which. Sorry for the confusion. Very nice photos of the surviving engines now correct me if I'm wron but No. 25 had a brief life on the Bluebell didn't she? I swear I remeber her having a connection to The Bluebell maybe on their website for the loco rosters for former members of the Bluebell. I may again have a mix up and merely remember a saddle tank of similar build being on there. I do know that if she was at the Bluebell it wasn't very long. Also feel free to share any Neilsons you know of. Tank engine or not big or small. I could always use more information on the company. I am sorry I gave off that feeling Doug. While I was indeed looking primarily for the smaller tanks if you have pictures of larger Neilsons feel free to sho them. Not all Neilsons were tiny after all and it never hurts to show off some of the other fine locomotives that they built.

How have I missed that drawing? I watch that artist over on DA and I'll need to look at that single cylinder engine. The first drawing you linked I have already but thank you for posting it for anyone who hasn't seen it. It shows just how small these little Box Tanks were. Though I recon they had more pulling power than they looked to have. Oh if only I had that cash. I hope someone buys her and restores her though I know she was a Bath Gasworks loco and a interesting one too. Though my favorite of the Gasworks Tanks is No. 25 a little green saddle tank also a Neilson tank. Thinking about it it's no wonder such small engines worked at Bath. I mean the curves of the track there were tighter than any dockyard Ive ever seen. It's a wonder the standard 5 plank Truck could be pushed around in those quarters. I really wish there was a online archive of the older Model Railways books. I also wish I could remember the name of the magazine I once found in Barnse and Noble from the UK on modeling railways. I remember it has a big article on the Gronks. A few line drawings of it and various livery it wore. I think it was back in 2000 to 2001 that book. Back to the Neilsons I'll look into those issues. I'd like to see more indepth discussion on the box tanks. Hey steady on not all of us Yanks are behind you some of us have caught up to you make no mistake. It's funny that that way of speaking comes as naturally to me as any US dialect. I say Dagnabit and Crikey interchangeably and as a person who has a vow of no swearing (It's just a personal thing I prefer not to swear but I don't raise a fuss over anyone else doing so.) I use many differnt and often odd expletives in my daily speech. I suppose growing up hearing Ringo narrate The Railway Series (at the time it wasn't that differnt. Not like today.) may have something to do with it. But yeah not all of us over here are behind you by two centuries. Maybe a couple decades but we are still closer than alot of other parts of our nation. I'm looking at you Bagdad Alabama towns like that that give the US the bad image it has also it nearly ended three good tv show hosts lives. Over a stupid joke someone painted on a car. Now thats a nice assortment of photos Doug. The "Miner" is a strong looking engine indeed. Much larger than the 0-4-0 and 0-4-2 engines like the R&CR Smelter. Also Pinkie ins a excellent look at a Neilson with mods needed to run over here in the US and Canada. Speaking of is there a name for that step plate she has instead of the "snowplow" Cowcatcher? I've seen it on a few engines over here and I can't say it looks like a cowcatcher of any sort. Definitely doesn't look suited to pushing a cow out of the way. Also is it me or do the LNER engines here look like they have the same cab design as a certain Welsh tank engine that once ran slate traffic? I also like the Tramway mods on the one a certain little blue engines words just hang in my head "Everyone will laugh Sir. They'll say I look like a Tram."

No no I live in the US in the Central Time Zone. I have a friend in Cardif and we did the math to see how far appart our time zones were and it is like this. If it is noon for me it is 6 P.M. for him. It's just a time zone differnce. Fine examples of Neilson Box tank on top and the red one is a Neilson too so yes like these in particular the type like the one in B&W.

Not to worry my friend. I hope your day goes well and once you can you'll let me know more on the articles. I personally am off to bed. Living 6 hours or more behind the UK is a bother at times but it can't be helped.

Hey everyone, Got another little information hunt. This time I'm looking for details on some of the Neilson built classes of Tank engines. Now I'm particularly looking for information on some of the various types of their Box Tank class but I'm not just limiting myself I know Neilson made some fine industrial locomotives including Well tanks, Side tanks and saddle tanks with all kinds of valve gear. I really need some plans of the various types of Box Tanks. But if anyone has recommendations of some good books covering Neilson's other designs I would be really grateful for help. Also does anyone know how powerful these little engines were? I know that a later Avonside would be able to pull trains much larger but I don't want to count the little boxes out.

Can't tell you that my self being a Yankee and growing up with Lionel trains. But it be somethin if that was where they got the Polly name.

Nothing a little weathering couldn't fix.

Ok first of all Hokey Smokes! I had no idea that you guys were still posting on my thread here. That'll show me for not being here in ages. I am amazed by all the new info. I also love that someone has modeled Polly's class. Indeed I too am interested very much in that model's specs. Would you by chance be willing to let me know more on it? I want to Model Polly in Trainz Sim and this could be a big help for me. Also mind if I barrow the Livery for my Polly model? I think it suits her for a livery for a recreation of her. Oh wow thats lovely I doubt she always wore that color but it's nice to see her in color.

Eddie again you amaze me my friend. I can attempt a Drawing of Waverley now with those specs. Ah so they are the Falcon Works founders. I do indeed know them from Sir Hayden of the TR and your right Andy there is a family resemblance. I'll have to look into the other locos they put out. Oh and I will amend my first post to have links to the article.

Hey all this is a bit of a follow up to my Industrial Tank topic in a way since it deals with a Industrial company built loco. Anyway I was looking over the Industrial Railway Society's back issues and found this little locomotive in this article on the IRS site. http://www.irsociety.co.uk/Archives/52/Alderney.htm#Camelshe is in the last photo at the bottom. From what is said on the site it was built by a company called Henry Hughes of Loughborough and it was named Waverley. Anyone know anything more on this little industrial? Apparently she had a external water pump (the little Flywheel and cylinder on her smokebox.) I can find very little on the builders and only know Waverley was built for standard gauge and worked at Alderney Breakwater. Also she seems to sport a bit of crew decoration on her front above the smokebox door of a cast horse or dragon not sure thanks to the photo quality.

This is why I only throw out magazines when they become ruined. Oh I hope someone knows of the article.

Wow look at that sanding dome. Kitson made some quite interesting designs.

Hey thats a type of wagon I've never seen or heard of. I'll look at the photos that Hmrspaul linked. Hmm thought I had mentioned Era. But oh well I'm kinda going to be all over the place with that since I am having my line set through out the era of steam. So between the 1870s to the 1950s. like I said my Railway is a bit Awdryesqe as I'm a writer and for me the engines are characters as much as machines. As for what I meant in my discussion on the Narrow Gauge Track maintenance wagons I was meaning use those designs but rescale them so they run on standard Gauge as opposed to say the Talyllyn's 2 foot 3in. More or less adapt the wagon design to run on 4 foot 8 1/2 . They would look roughly the same but with buffers of some sort and chain couplings. That does look like a easy conversion. A nice addition on the maintenance trains.

Oh yes the famous Cadbury Chocolate Railway. I have plans to use thier Avonside tanks for industrial work in my work. As far as era mine is a fictional railway started in 1900. I'm kind of pulling a Awdry with my stock. Oh jwealleans in regaurds to your question I'm at the moment looking for wagons used in the day for track repair. As the engine I'm planing to have for the Rail inspection and general repair is small I need lighter wagons. Is it uncommon for a line to build freelance designed wagons? As I think if I can get away with it I'll make some mods to stock from the welsh narrow gauge track repair stock. Scale it up and add buffers and proper couplings. Hows that sound?

My my that is a beast there. Heh never say it's impossible with a Steam locomotive.