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Ah so kind of like the LNWR Teutonic class in the fact that they had smaller outside cylinders and larger inside ones. Though I have no doubt that these engine worked a lot better than the old LNWR design which is a shame since the Teutonics were a hansome bunch but poorly designed in valve gear setup. Seriously having a set of wheels that only went in the direction they last turned with a pair controlled by the drive was asking for trouble.

A shame to see such a splendid engine at the worst point in her life. Really though the cylinder block looks quite small for a engine this size especially since her shrouding make it look much bigger. Ah but that is why shrouds are put on in the first place to hide the less savory parts. All in all I can see basically where all the Streamlined Shroud went already. Should be easy enough to make a reasonable look alike once I have that side view. Eddie my friend you never cease to amaze my friend. Thanks again.

That would be wonderful my friend. No worries on the wait I can fully understand I just rearranged everything in my room to better suit me but I had to put a lot up as well so no rush. Thank you very very much.

Hmm I just may have to see if I can get this shipped from Amazon UK to the US. I want this book now very much so more than I did when I first heard of it. Sadly not many listings of it on Abebooks or I'd use that. Sam my friend please find out the title unless it is the Boulton Sidings as well. I would love to see these drawings. Pitty that I can't talk with your friend as easily as I can you sounds like a cool person.

Pitty that there are so few photos of it's class streamlined. Would you possibly be willing to allow me to see the line drawings you have from that I'm sure I can make a reasonable take on the shroud. If you know anyone with photos of the streamlined versions ask them if I could see them too. Only asking you understand I fully realize why yould rather not if that is how you feel just thought I would ask.

Not to mention I think even the Loco Sam linked has springs if I'm looking at it right you can see leaves behind the front driver. 25 wagons of a standard size is quite strong for a small engine indeed. You mention a drawing where is that from?

Hey all, Was recently talking with a good friend from Portugal and he showed me a photo he had gotten from his Railway Club. He compared the engine to the A4s of Portugal though that was at their appearance being very stunning for the most part. Anyway I want to learn more on said locomotive even though it is a broad gauge it's quite the looker. Photo here used with permission from my friend Walt: IMHO this engine looks lovely and it's probably just me but if Thunderbird 1 was ever a loco I think this would be a great base to start off from. Like I said I don't even know the class number let alone her name so any help her is much appreciated. Thank you everyone, 844fan

Thank you for the Vocal Foley advice my friend. I'll try to put it to good use. Smart idea for a railway without the Tricity Trop of fish plate bending and clnking is hardly a proper sounding line.

You know I should of realized that. Why is it that when someone points out the obvious answer to your question you immediately realize that same answer was in your face the whole ime and want to face palm?! So that would also mean that the old Beamish coffee pot would have no springs either as that most certainly is not geared. Hmm given that she would work slowly I bet a skilled driver could keep her rough riding under control. Just got to treat her with respect and some skill but yeah it explains why there are few Vertical cylinder setups that are geared like this and would use drive shafts and chains to allow for springs. Much more the pitty since these little engines are quite adorable and look quite hardy.

Could be fitted with them at one point couldn't she? I'm no expert but can they be given them?

I find absolutely nothing wrong with this not even the slightest. Heck I do it and I live with my family though I must say I'm impressed if you truly can match the piston strokes timing so well I often make it only ever half a turn and I know a engine puffs four times per wheel turn after all they are quartered for a reason (and frankly again back to Thomas is the largest complaint I have in the CGI series. The engines except for the one based off Rocket all have their coupling rods dead even so if one side is at 12:00 the other side is too. Have none of those animators ridden a bike? that's the only reason we can push the peddles is they are off set but to be fair on inside cylinder engines the pistons are quartered though the valve gear is completely unrealistic.) So props for that. My reason for it is I've always liked trying to mimic sounds of things I like. The hiss of steam from a drain cock, the clanking or thudding of giant robots (Which I can imitate the sound they make when transforming too.) and so much more. I have deep respect for the foley artists and one of my favorite jokes in any movie is Spaceballs with the guy imitating the Radar and intercom mad respect to that man as he made a career of it. One of the reasons I want to be a Voice Actor as well as writer. Hmm a good idea. I'll try and figure out how to go about it. Don't I know it. I knew my voice sounded young for my age due to hormone troubles I only learned I had. But hearing a playback it is kind of weird how I sound to my own ears but that may lie in the engineering of the audio too. I mean I do a spot on impresion of Strong Mad and Strong Sad from Homestar Runner both ways and my friends say I imitate a VA of Sonic The Hedgehog (No not Mr. White this guy we jokingly call Irish Sonic as we know he is from Ireland but we forget his name too often) but in my head it sounds off so I suppose it's one of those cases of "That sounded better in my head." for all of us who like to make sounds.

Indeed I'm looking into every option but I've tried that method stiching together and it has that hiccup like if you take sections of a soundbyte to create a new sentence. YTP kind of stuff and that is not what I want. Also I forgot to ask this before but is there a easy way to find out what note is being played? In this case it is a single chime from a small loco I know most whistles use multiple chimes to achive the note they produce but this is only a single. Start small for pitch checks.

Bit much tha' init'? was 8MT even a real classification for any standard designs or for that matter nonstandard.

Hey all, Got a bit of a technical question for all my fellows who know sound effect engineering than I do. So recently I got some audio and video clips at a local convention called "The American Thresherman's" this event is held in August and October around here and is a celebration of steam, petrol/gas, and diesel based farming machines most of which are Traction Engines they even have a small locomotive like the R&ER 15 inch running. Now as I said I got some clips from the show and want to use them for a project I'm doing. My problem is I only have short chirps of whistles blowing like what you'd here in (please bear with me on my example here best example that comes to mind.) Thomas and Friends when the engines would pass each other and whistle a quick "peep peep" as a greeting. But I want to also have Long blasts od the whistle note for all whistle signals I may want to or need like a Long bellow or a even shorter chirp so I can piece them together in the proper codes. I unfortunately have not yet figured out how to do this whith the Audacity editing program with out it sounding clearly like I made it off. I'm not sure anyone here knows anything about the subject but I thought I'd give it a try see what turns up. Thanks for the time, 844fan

Now I must put my ten pence (Ten Cents is a bit much seeing thats a whole Tugboat ) for me modeling is going to be fictitious on the fact that no mater how hard I would try I can't make a exact replica of a real railway. One thing all model lines have unless you have the room for something like the RG&ER 15 in line your are stuck with either a loop or a dogbone. Also to me the point of a railway is to make it your own sure base it off real practices like if you make a Quarry make it look functional and have the towers, hoppers and whatever else was needed but don't limit yourself just by real locomotive count. I'm a writer and I have to say I am also young of heart so my railways will always have certain impossibility to them (For example my planned CVR line has three American locomotives at the start of it's life. All are 19th century prototypes built before 1900 and all have been rebuilt heavily to a Doncaster style with running boards and such. I also plan to have the rebuilt 0-8-0 form of the Decapod Tank on my line.) but from all I know these things were not impossible but Improbable or Unlikely to have ever happened but these small breaks add to charm. Heck I dabble in Freelance design but not for anything beyond a Industrial. My honest humble opinion is the same as a man I respect deeply who had a fine set of models. Even finer bridges for them to run on. Just read my signature you'll know what I'm talking about.

I am quite sure you'd figure it out. The little engines are both now on my want list! But I fully understand the money situation while mine is a slight bit better for the time being I can't spend like a madman either. Edit: Hold on a tick that engine is a diesel but she's got a whistle not a horn! Could this be the elusive example of a Compressed Air Whistle on a diesel?! If so I'd love this little engine even more than I already do!

You sure Sam? She looks adorable to me. Then again I found older Unimogs kind of cute to a degree. Not anything unhealthy just the ones that look like tractors. The ATV lookalikes are too utilitarian for my taste. Well if you don't use this one in your models I may add her to my harbor fleet. Well when I add Diesels that is. She is a diesel right? I've mixed electrics and diesels up before though IMHO one could be converted to the other easily enough if the railway has a good enough workshop I mean a DE is a electric engine with a power plant inside it while a electric engine either has a battery or a external power supply.

My good man if I ever meet you in person I owe you a drink and possibly lunch as well. Thank you very much I have to say finding information on this class well my tooth extractions have been easier so far. I'll have to check Abebooks for that book there as the G&SWR is indeed a railway with a history that sadly didn't get as much to thrive on in preservation. One loco is all we have left and if I were a Jones Goods I'd be paranoid that it might fall on me.

Ok so from what I've gathered from everyone turn of the century setups were commonly Vacuum based, Vacuum Pumps were not as easy to see on the employed stock it was fitted to and oddly going back to the Thomas example with James and his Bootlace Sodor was most likely Vacuum based till after the 1970s as most depictions of the brake pipe was a ridged tube looking like a foam covered spring so to speak (Remember the models did dumb down detail due to size. ) But during Clive Spong's tenure as artist westinghouse pumps are seen a lot. Actually it was sooner than that about the time Stepney visited in the books now I think about it. I know the Bluebell has Westinghouse Pumps on their engines as even Captain Baxter (a possible subject for a later post since my engine named Jules after the author is based off the last standard gauge cousin to the Welsh Slate brothers forgive me but I can only spell and pronounce one of their names Dolgoch (That would be Dole like the fruit company and Gawk right? Pleas tell me I got that right.) have the pumps. Even the namsake of the line has one and it's quite clear to see. I hate seeing it on the USA S160s though gets in the way of their face you know. But yeah enough rambling on that. Have I gotten most of what you've all been explaining or has it flown over me head again? Terrible enough to miss my train but to hear it pulling out as I'm running under the platforms to catch it well that's down right embarrassing. Hahaha hope that gets a chuckle out of you my friends. Thank you all.

Interesting and strange at the same time to see such a mechanism. Closest neighbors to the Crewe and Doncaster serviced areas as these two were responsible for rebuilding and in Crewe's case finishing the build of the locos first brought to the CVR. So which ones would that be circa 1900? I actually thought it would be a smart practice to put on the brakes ease off and then get them slightly tight again to make sure the wheels kept spinning somewhat. Less wear and no flatspots. Funnily enough one of the engines I made the alteration for British Loading Gauge is a Mogul that looks a lot like the two you linked except his front driver and middle driver are the ones with the larger game between. Glad there is a existing example of my idea though. Not so far fetched afterall. Hmm still not solved what kind of Pump my goods engine needs and what it would look like. (Westinghouse I know but others not so much. Also the whole trademark thing is way too much like Watt's need to reinvent the crank.)

Ok I've just been reworking one of my Locos drawings and while the engine is of American design rebuilt to run on British metals (Yes I took into account loading gauge and everything engine was built prior to the 20th century monsters and is smaller than a black 5. I do research this stuff you know I'm not a toy company that owns a tv series wink wink) and realized even though the loco is primarily a goods engine it will need passenger braking equipment to handle coaches. Now seeing as the railway I've imagined this for is founded in 1900 officially (Building commenced in the late 1890s for the mainline) what kind of equipment would be the right kind. I'm guessing Air Brakes were the norm of the day thanks to the good old Rev. Awdry's story of James and the Bootlace. I'd also suppose Westinghouse Pumps wer the most common fitted durring that era. Drawing on the pipe and connection tube is te easy part as far as I'm thinking but details are details. Also a very silly question springs to mind from watching recent episodes of the CG Thomas series numerous times I've noticed that when a engine sets it's brakes to stop all wheels on the steam engines lock up even though only the drive wheels are fitted with the gear. My question is was there a reason not to fit unpowered wheels with brakes? Seems that you could of had just a smidgen more stoping power if all wheels were locked but then again putting them on hard was a bad idea since one you'd just skid on slick rails and two you'd wear flat spots in the tires. Ha now thats a stupid idea Anti-lock brakes on a steam locomotive. Anyway I do hope this query is far easier to answer than my last one. Thanks agin to all who tried to help me on the Sleeper spacing conundrum. It was a lost cause but at least we gave it a shot.

You know the more I see of your Rebecca model Sam the more I'm positively happy I picked this type as one of my Harbour shunters. The Kitsons really suit a tight work area and all alongside my Lochgorm and the little Pugsy we've been talking about all three short wheel bases with more power than you'd think.

Well a better starting point is always what I'm after so I'll try these sizes and scale em down till the loco looks proper. Thank you all I know the attempt with the spacing was way too out there but I thought it worth a shot.

Thank you very much my friend I'll give you a message if I run into a wall on figuring the Chalk Works Spacings. As for the LMS side of things the loco I'm trying to figure out with the sleeper spacing there is from the G&SWR. A odd engine in that the only two photos I have of it is during the LMS ownership the engine is subject in one of my other prototype threads. I'd link you but I am on my mobile and if I even think of changing tabs on it I lose all my typed replies that have not posted. Honestly if I had the engines' wheel diameter I would be very happy as all I'd need to do is scale it down and I can easily find scale ratios and convert them. But as far as I'm aware I have no source on that either. Infact that is why I want to figure the spacing of the sleepers in that photo so I have some form of measurement to go off of and make the scale down easier. Also had a feeling it was a brother to the engine I'm using it as a reference to. Did I say that? *looks over first post* ah yes I did. Well in truth I may have been misleading there then. I'm really trying to find any thing in that photo that I can use as the proverbial yardstick and figure out it's scale. As mentioned above the buffers are far too low for the standard hight guideline to apply, The two crew members are of wildly different sizes in terms of tallness so the average hight of enginemen of the era can't be taken into acount (Again Sam told me the info of average hight of victorian era enginemen) and besides the tracks nothing is level with her like rolling stock or anything to have another reference point. By the by I asked Sam about this too but once I convert all my drawings to a scale close to Gauge one/G scale I was thinking of posting them here for anyone to use. I think it be a nice way to give back to you guys for all the help. But I have no clue if there is a proper place on the forum to post scale drawings in or not and Sam said the same so if you like the idea point me to the place to post and once ready I'll be giving some resources out.

Wow just look at that coupling rod set up never seen the like in any other design.