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Lovely model Nick, having had the privilege of seeing the actual model at the weekend, I can't wait for the next instalments.....

Really looking forward to seeing this....

9313 was built in May 1912 to lot 693 and condemned in July 1956.

Best I can find at present is a GWR bulb underframe drawing from June 1882 showing continuous drawgear, so similar period...

It's the support for the other end of the brake tumbler (loose hanger) - on GW wagons (my familarity) there was a transverse bracket that ran from the solebar to the longitudinal that this was suspended from (loose hanger bracket).

Nick, I beieve you are correct in both regards. Thx for that Chris

Duncan, This is recorded against the Frame Material for 1222 which I believe was the first number used in Lot 231 - The others I do have for that Lot just record Wood! Not entirely sure what the words are "Iron" something "plates" Atkins mentions OSLot 211 had flitched frames (31401-31600) but don't have that range to check. Atkins has a photo of 30135 with a flitched solebar, this was a converted broad gauge wagon but agina I don't have that stock bok to check the record and Lot number... Chris

That's going to add so much potential... looking forward to the updates...

Love the bollards and other details bringing this to life, but can't help but feel the loading platform should be wider to enable the cast iron brackets to sit underneath supporting the girder structure.....

Stephen, You may think that, I couldn't possibly comment.. Chris

Tony, is there a date for this photo please? Chris

I just glue some 5 or 10 thou plasticard to one end rail and once the glue has set, file to profile. Black blends in better than white.... Easier to do before hand, but perfectly possible in place

The 1905 GWR General Appendix accords generally with Magmouse's comments above, however the description on scotching is interesting and points to the evolution of such matters - "Scotches. - Circular Straw Scotches, of sufficient depth to permit of the casks being properly embedded, should be used whenever possible, but if these are not available, Wood Scotches may be used, or, failing them, wads of twisted Straw must be jammed firmly under the casks. The use of Stones, pices of Brick, or other hard and rigid substances for scotching Casks must in no case be permitted."

Chippenham is the "Swindon and Wiltshire" county archive and from a railway perspective is treated as an outpost of TNA, mainly housing PWay and building drawings as far as I have seen. The only stock books I have ever come across are at NRM (or TNA for the >100xxx wagons). STEAM is another archive that holds drawing and photos that are seemingly uncatalogued, One day I hope to visit and explore.....

This would be so much easier with access to the original, un compressed for FB, picture. Anyone know where it is? I would be pretty confident in the last digit being a "4" and the first either a "2" or a "7". Beyond that lies guess work I suggest

and yes I agree, the wagons and load are excellent

Careful, you may get a visit in the middle of the night from the Midland boys..... 🤣

@magmouse As far as I understand, GWR order books and Stock books both quote internal dimensions when referencing bodies - which make sense as that is the bit that mattered. Chris

@Compound2632 I went through the C&W Order Book and compared it to your section on V- covered goods wagons and found a few orders missing and added some additional detail (all my work in red), which may or may not help Nick.... Body Chris

675x wagons were all Open Goods in 1903 so we're missing something in the numbering for the Hereford picture, sadly I only have the 56xxx series and they were all Goods Brake vans for the relevant 10 wagons.....

Stephen, When I visit NRM for GWR wagon stock books I use the time there to photograph as much as I can, using just an iphone camera. I can then transpose to my heart's content (if I had time) once back at home. You keep the photos as personal records as required by TNA, but share the information in the transcriptions? It also provides the ability to go back and cross check for transcription errors, which will inevitably be made. Does that solve the dilemma and reduce the cost? Chris

Excellent work as ever, the new doors look great

Nick, As others have said, what a lovely collection of beautifully lettered wagons and how nice to have that to remember your father by. I also agree with him, having had to "draw" S's on CAD for etchwork, getting them right is not easy and I have the benefit of copying the photo on the screen where rubbing out is easy,,,, Having now seen some of your wagon collection in real life, I think it's fair to say you've inherited his artistic capability Chris

friendly probing debate 😀 Sadly, I don't have copies of any of the stock books referenced yet so was not able to add anything useful, I do have an old narrow gauge stock list (pre the standard books) but that doesn't contain any dimensional data, so no value to the present debate

As ever a beautiful model even if the arguments around details of the original wagons abound....