john flann

John, interesting stuff. At Hintock Redux home grown grain is brought to the Crown Prince Brewery in sacks as that was the common method of carriage. Grano's were employed more usually with imported grain through Avonmouth. And, in trains that ran to Wrexham with wagons marked appropriately. As to the use of hopper wagons here in the US bottom discharge into a pit is used and from there into storage bins by auger and between bins by compressed air. The attached show a loaded grain car being discharged and into a truck using a commonly employed mobile auger with it being driven by a petrol fired engine. In the background is the mill itself showing different bins and the piping between them. The mill produces cattle feed in bulk. Not strictly relevant to your case, but I think, of interest.

Nick, wish I could say"Hello" in person but memory will have to suffice. All good wishes to you and the Show.

I don't enjoy pictures of works in progress so here are some of happier days at HTQ. It's my intent that those shall return-in due course, Hintock Redux requires my attention.

This post follows up my comments in the edited first post. My original HTQ was built as part of the Hintock Branch scenario and at the time fitted in well. In that scenario I have made a considerable investment and on further consideration am of opinion a revised HTQ will continue to fit. But more conveniently as a separate thread particularly because of recent developments at Hintock Redux and Port Bredy. Having said that the other reason(s) is that with any layout of mine there are two prime considerations, one the operating possibilities and the other the aesthetic appearance. And those I was beginning to doubt could be achieved in the manner the layout was presented. This makes the point for the siding at the rear disturbs the flow of the running line and adds clutter for I am of the less is more philosophy and any additional operational possibilities are offset by that factor. (This is apart from the question of adding a loop.) So I'm happy to dispense with that siding, Aesthetically this is far more appealing and is what I intend shall be the basis for the new HTQ. And, to it will be added a loop. The back story to HTQ will be the subject of a separate post.

Then we are all agreed. Thanks to you both. I've ordered the needed points and probably by the time I'm back home they will be waiting for me. I'll then see how matters work out. and looking at the last image above with a RH point forming the curve, it should.

Quite so Rob, but things have moved on since that image was taken. What we have now is this for I squeezed in a further siding at the rear. Adding the loop will reduce the siding from which it springs in length but this new siding makes up for it. How long the loop will be remains to be seen for I will need to work things out in wagon lengths and that needs wait my return home. The head shunt at the LH end is, I think, loco and two wagons and that may well be feasible too at the RH, if so it will work out well. Having the loop and thanks for persisting with the notion, will add an additional operational aspect in that the yard can be shunted by trains proceeding in either direction by moving loco and brake van from one end to the other. Not only do these illustrate the track formation and siting of a possible loop but an indication of the scenic possibilities. In these shots around 15 wagons are in play and making up trains of 4 /5 can offer much pleasure. Also can be seen are glimpses of Hintock Redux.

Error-wrong Dave!

Yes, quite agree Rob, that's where it would go. I'll need to wait until I'm home again to try it out and will report back. A lot too depends on the aesthetic appearance because I regard that as just as important, perhaps even more so than the fun value.

Thanks Dave, it would have taken me a month of Sundays to find that. As you indicate the principles on which Owlcombe was built remain applicable.

David, your post made me look at my computer archives for the article. Unfortunately whatever I might have had, got lost in a crash except for the attached. I'll scan the article again when I'm back home. The image is interesting for it shows how much things in the RTR line have improved over the years as the 27xx is a cut down Gaiety casting on a Hornby chassis with a Hamblings funnel , safety valve, buffers and three link couplings. It ran well and for its time looked the part.

Reverting to Rob's comment on including a loop these images show how readily it could be accomplished. These were of an early stage of the re-working and to see what could best be done. Later images will show the subsequent development. And, I'm not altogether sure I like what I currently have.

Rob, I thought you would be interested, no, I did not consider a loop for I could see no particular advantage. There would on the other hand be disadvantage in consuming more space, and on the scenic aspects It's assumed, and accepted the yard could only be shunted by trains running in the one direction.

Dave, happy to hear from you again concerning Owlcombe. Yes, those are the same pictures as in the 1980 MT but which I could not find, hence I used MTI. Regarding your comment about it being an Inglenook I had never thought of that previously. Interestingly though at the MMRS Exhibition in 1972 where Owlcombe made its appearance so did fellow member Alan Wright, have his first Inglenook. It's a very neat arrangement and that I have used since both in Hintock Redux, Port Bredy and the original Hintock Town Quay.

Before getting into detail about the development of Owlcombe Denuo, these overall pictures of progress to date might be of interest. Left, Right, and from left to right.

Andy, glad you liked this start and I'm going to have fun in following it up. I'm sorry about the "confusion" of having Hintock Redux and Port Bredy both on the one Hintock thread but I've invested so much in it (82 pages to date) I wouldn't wish to start afresh with two separate threads. But in future posts there I'll try to make the subject more clear. At least you won't have that difficulty with OD. Actually, you are not alone in the confusion for all my images of HR, PB and HTQ (now OD) are all in seven separate files (from 2012 and others before that) and I spend ages in finding the one I want. I'll post again later today.

On Edit: I have changed the title to this thread because I wish to retain the original Hintock Town Quay and its concept rather than develop it in another fashion, Needless to say the original Owlcombe and whose name it took has all the attributes of a table top railway and is well suited to that purpose. I hope in that respect the first posts here will be of benefit. My later post # 24 explains why I have done this. Let me introduce Owlcombe. The layout carries forward the name of a layout, Owlcombe, I originally built over fifty years ago and that some members remember. It was also published in the model press (MT, 6/80 and MTI, 60/05) and I have used the name again for old times sake. But I have added the suffix to distinguish between the two. n The setting remains south-west Dorset, the time the 1930's and of a Joint GWR/SR branch line. It returns to the concept of a table top layout. Lightweight, convenient size, stand alone, looks good, easy to see and most of all entertaining to play with. n Quiet amusement can be gained from operating using random and systematic method-and all comfortably seated at a table. Equally, it would make a readily transportable and interesting exhibition layout demonstrating how simplicity has so much to offer along with a display of building and scenic skills. In other words it's an Inglenook. And without that so common to many, fish tank look. The track is American HO code 100, the points by Peco and two wire DC. The stock is weathered RTR, the structures sctach built and Kadee couplings are employed to get (most time) hands off operation. The overall size is 5'6 x 1'8. As some will recognize this a re-working of my Hintock Town Quay which featured intermittently (much to the chagrin of several members, and I'm sorry about that) on my Hintock Branch thread. But it no longer fits into the current Phase Two of the Hintock saga. More in due course, and I hope you will follow along as the development of the layout proceeds.

Peco buffer stops painted as for the LSWR and SR and as represented at Port Bredy on my Hintock Branch.

Alan, very nice indeed. One really can't beat the Age of Steam and with a line-up like that. Thanks for posting. Don't let us give a thought to Woodham's.

Les, residing in the USA i have no ready access to any of the sources to which I referred, but:- -the old Valuation List will be with the rating authority. All it would give would be the description of the "use" then current. The List would probably take a lot of effort by the authority to find and It's up to you whether you wish to follow it up. I doubt if it's worth it. -the Land and Parliamentary Plans will be with the successors in title to British Rail and wherever held. As a matter of interest in general, if convenient, it would be worth following up. They would give some "bottom" to your endeavours. -the OSS's should be readily accessible at Liverpool's principal library. Again If you've never seen them, they will be worth a look. -MRJ? do you mean Back Track? If you will kindly PM me with your private email address I can scan a copy for you.

John: indeed it does. You do all that grime and grit so very well for it captures the spirit and feel of that age completely.

Richard, I certainly prefer the gas works (when developed further) and the hill as was-if I understand your intentions aright.

Les, I'm not a native Liverpudlian (being born in Surrey) and at first was working there on attachment from Euston so understandably sixty odd years after the event things have grown rather dim in my memory. But it was a major event in my life and i have many happy memories of it. If you get around to reading my article I think you will see what an impression it made. As to the that building I have no distinct recollection of it. If it had been a boxing venue then presumably they would have been bills concerning them and those I might have observed. The Lord Nelson opposite was not a place I frequented so I didn't get along there often. Yates Wine Lodge on Lime Street was a different matter. And as I have no distinct recollection I can only assume it had no particular distinguishing features. No doubt you have looked at the 1/500 and 1/1250 OSS's and if not, they may offer a clue, also the Valuation List of the time (held by the rating authority) will have a description of its use. Possibly too the Land Plans of the LM&SR and the parliamentary plans of the L&NWR (these I refer to in my article) might assist. Incidentally, if you don't have ready access to that article I can scan and send you a copy. As regards matters of further detail, I think I saw a reference to curtains for the office block windows. There were neither curtains nor blinds. Not much sun (when it shone) got over the station roof. The other is that there were treadles at the end of the platform roads if your passion for detail extends that far. (The recent post regarding the ballasting refers.) These are shown in a photo of an arrived train in my article. Every good wish for the success of the continuing build.

Looking at these pictures of this wing of the ex hotel/office building I think i can locate on the third floor the windows of the particular office (the District Estate Surveyors) I worked in during the early 1950's. Rather nostalgic. I can remember the view of the station roof but the other side was more interesting looking down into Lord Nelson Street (?) the Public House and the dressing rooms of the Empire(?) theatre opposite during the Pantomime season. This particularly excited the attentions of Norman an old bachelor a fellow habitue of the room. Excellent modelling. OT I recognize, but I couldn't resist it. Further OT. but I did write about my experiences with BR (LMR) in Back Track, Vol 19, #8, August 2005-"Reminiscences of a BR Surveyor."

Ray, I'm sorry to say that it's a long time since I looked in on your thread. I'm most impressed with the progress made, I particularly liked the additional platform you put in as I do other features and shall from here on in, be visiting more regularly.

Yes, Andy one can get caught out when only painting one side of the rails. And doing the other side is rather a pain. Maybe just on a selective basis? Or just don't, many do. Few seem to comment on it.