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She looks a belter, loved the video, watching the motion work on the new chassis makes it look light years ahead of the standard Hornby one, well done mate. Regarding the slots in the tender, i think he means the ones that several Stanier tenders got to let water out. On page 110 of the LMS Locomotive Profiles on the Duchess there is a picture of 46238 tender first in 64 with the slots cut in to the tender.

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Thanks for the info Iain, well if you can grt a bit more weight in her, she should pull 15 pretty well then. I'll be very interested to see the new Rebuilt Jubilee you tackle. I wouldn't be surprised though if Hornby announced one eventually, especially how the body on the scots/pats is all clip together bits. Regarding the new Duchess, I've spoken to a member of the development team who says they are tooling up 6 different Duchess tenders and that they've changed the tender vents on the Ivatt pair already, but the mock up was made before that. So that will be one less peice of modelling to do on them.

Hi Iain, Looking great so far (as per usual) just a quick question mate, how many coaches could the standard Hornby chassis pull? Cheers mate and Happy New Year

According to the LMS Locomotive Monographs book on the Jubilee's they both were Crimson Lake after being rebuilt. Neither received any form of LMS black, first time one of them was black was 45735 which got the LNWR style BR Black.

Both Rebuilt Jubilees were Crimson Lake too.

City of Manchester certainly was, didn't get its round smokebox until 5th April 1960, she was BR red from 9th October 1958. (Info from LMS Locomotive Profiles 11)

Plus photos in the Wild Swan Locomotive profiles books showing not only Sir William with the electric lighting fitted, plus the dual speedos and extended drain cocks. Not the smartest look

Plus Abercorn in the slate grey had crimson and straw lining only on the right hand side of the loco.

I agree, but not before the Princess Royal. The body is bascially the old one from the 70's. I'm actually surprised we got a new Duchess before a Princess.

Page 107 of the Pictorial Supplement for the "LMS Locomotive Profiles" on the Duchesses has a drawing of it. Also a double page drawing on pages 66 and 67 in the book "The LMS Duchesses" shows a slightly different 8 wheeled tender, bascially it looks like an exteneded Stanier tender with 14 tonne and 5400 litre capacity.

Well the Ivatt pair were originally drawn up with a 12 tonne (I'm sure it was 12) 8 wheeled tender. Looked sort of like a WD tender on steroids

Yep, when in BR Blue 6256 had a speedo connected to the bogie. That didn't last long (along with the extended draincocks). She had two speedos, one in the normal rear driving wheel position, the other on the front bogie was an experiment to improve indications at low speeds. It didn't work and was disconnected (but not removed) shortly after

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It's about time it was included, for all we know too, the old tooling is starting to wear, as it's 16 years old next year. Hopefully too Hornby decide to do the tender for 6253-6255 as they haven't been done at all in that time period. So far, as I've mentioned elsewhere the "infamous" ledge is still present on the tender, the deflectors are still the same (yes it could be because it's an early ep but still) 6256/6257 had different front footplate leading edges (between defelctors and smokebox) compared to other "Utility" front end locos (the ep shows the standard version). These things can certainly be rectified easily at this early stage. The list of positive changes I've seen so far though look very good though. Top feed looks dead on, middle cylinder cover is right, lifting rings, adjacent steps are correct. Bogie much better, front frames and detailing on them is spot on, the tender body has a coal pusher, i presume a fire iron tunnel, so has most of the detailing lacking on the old body. 46256 itself will sell like hotcakes I'm sure, fantastic and famous locomotive (Steam's one that got away?) Personally looking forward to a version on Bill in LMS lined black (why do i feel that will be in a train pack?) Personally i don't agree with MGR Hooper! On the Duchess being the most requested retool, that would have to be for the class that preceeded the Big Lizzies.... maybe this time next year they'll be on the one we're talking about

Hi Iain and Farren, I'll have to try and widen my searches on Ebay, i have heard about some discrepancies between searches on the app compared to the actual site. It is kind of mind blowinf what some people get up to with their models judging by the wrecks you two have found. Most locos were filthy towards after the war. I model 1947 LMS and unless with was something ex works, most were filthy. I have a photo of 6247 City of Liverpool and she is shockingly filthy, to the point where only half the cabside number is visible. I'll admit that when weather i try and keep that realism, but with my favourite locomotives I'll make an exception. Though from the photos i have seen and collected 5A seemed to keep the Lizzies cleaner than their Duchesses, for what reason i have no idea and on average the Rebuilt Royal Scots were quiet clean too. Quiet the bargin their Farren, well done mate. Out of interest what do you search for when these pop up? I've type Hornby Patriot for example and nothing like that ever shows up for me, again though on the app

Hi Iain, Love the Black 5, goes to show with a little modelling, how good of a loco it can become, well look wise at least (all mine have been dreadful runners, not necessarily a bad thing on my proposed shed layout but still doesn't help others) I really like Bachmann's Pat. Not much is needed to bring it up to "standard" and you can get them fairly cheap too. Same goes for the LMS Twins, Bachmann's models of them a great and the green ones I've seen for under 80 pounds. Another Sir William?! Or will this one become Salford? I'll personally say that i don't see much wrong with your modified Hornby model, hell if you don't want it anymore mate I'll buy it off you! With regards to 46170's weathering the vast majority of pictures I've seen of it show it to be well cleaned, even up until near withdrawal. There is a pic of her in the "Crewe Sheds" book of her in the roundhouse in 1961 and it's spotless, besides the usual dirty cab roof and wheels/motion. I say that because i reckon that with a slight tone down it'll make the model come alive a lot more than making her grubby At least with the change coming with the layout you can build up a bit of stock in the meantime. Hardest thing with lack of time is doing two things at once (layout building and buildibg rolling stock) would be easier for small layouts but obviously not for something like Camden Shed. And finally slightly off topic but where do these broken bodies/models come from? I know it's most certainly ebay but whenever i search for these sorts of things (admittedly I'm in Australia but i always search world wide) not much comes up at all. I have a couple of Bachmann Jubilee bodies (new ones) and i got a damaged Hornby Scot body (rebuilt Jubilee time!) But from reading your topic plus Micklner's topics they do seem to be about but for whatever reason never show up on at least the ebay app for me.

Thanks Mark, She looks good, even with the infamous yellow stripe! I'm currently doing one as built in 47, what a shame she (he?) Wasn't saved. Is that the full Comet Tender kit or the body on a Hornby chassis? Really like the mix of stock etc on the layout, after seeing 92220's Caprotti 5 as well as your's i might have found a use for that spare Black 5 body of mine.

Love the layout Mark. If i could make one request, could we see some more pics of 46256 up close? Broc

Hi Iain, Even with it's short comings, 46170 does look terrfic and i bet with a touch of weathering said short comings probanly wouldn't be as noticeable. If you are like me though you'll always been a tad annoyed that they are there but look at it this way, the loco gives the layout a uniqueness that quite a lot don't have. In regards to the Princess,it staggers me that Hornby still have something in their main range that is based on what 30 year old tooling? A 21st century Princess would be a massive hit, especially if they tooled up 6200/6201 as being quite different to the production class. As I'm in the slow process of modelling 5A shed in 1947 i do need all of them (well that's the excuse I'm going with anyway). I will say this though, if you can do the Caprotti 5's and British Legion i reckon you could handle a Princess kit/scratch build. Patriots wise, the Bachmann model is brilliant in my opinion and since Bachmann flooded the market originally with BR Green ones, you could probably pick one up cheap on Ebay, all it really needs is new bogie wheels, pipe work under the cab and a brassmasters etched coal rails, they make a massive difference. Echoing Farren above, the Jubilee is a great model too, why they didn't also do a retooled LFB version is beyond me. It isn't perfect (personally hate the opening smokebox door, thought i guess it does add something if it is open on a shed scene) but with a little work (bogie wheels/under cab pipe work etc) it really does look like a Jubilee. So next we'll be seeing more Black 5's to be finished? Not a bad thing at all. Also how are your Jinties going? I only watched the video of one running on the layout the other day.... Btw where are 10000 and 10001 at?

That looks fantastic, looking forward to seeing her weathered. What's next on the cards Iain? I'm sure it's nearly time for a Princess, Parallel Boilered Pat or "standard" Jubilee? By the way did you ever get around to tarting up at Hornby Duke? Love the work and keep it up mate, Broc

I must say, I'm looking forward to seeing pictures of the new stock that was mentioned a while ago

Interesting thread Hornby already have an ok Duchess tooling, they've had it for the best part of 15 years now and still they haven't done 6253-6255 which only needs a new tender top. I know that they will probably never do 6256-6257... With the design clever nonsense of a few years ago, i thought the W1 and Turbomotive would have followed the Duke and P2. Probably a missed opportunity there but i underatand with the uproar that design clever brought. Caprotti Black Fives would sell but they won't make them. How about more types/diagrams of the super detailed coaches? They seem to think a first/third/brakethird/fullbrake are enough for LNER/LMS modellers. Though I'd hazard a guess that 2018 will see a LNER dyno caach with Mallard.

That sucks Les! Hope you make a full recovery as fast as possible

Bloody hell that's impressive