Yarravalleymodeller

Lets start with the first, jones goods, made it to 1940 in service, so admired it was never looked on as some scrap metal as quite a few other locos were in the depths of war Also technically ran under BR. The GCR class 8, made it to nationalisation no problem, go just a year past the arbitrary 1910 cut off and we find what becomes the B12s which were good to begin with, so good they made it to the LNER largely unmodified. The LNWR examples, so bad they built them in the 100s, multiple hundreds in some cases. If something is so absolutely bad and a critical failure why do you build 200 of them and keep them in service for well over decade... you'd imagine someone would step in and say "no... stop... think of the children, how can we make this grave mistake" Even the claughtons, once you accept the poor valve events at speed, are not useless engines and thats sorta how they lasted out until they did. If we just go oh the valve events were poor at some speeds so loco totally useless then oh boy Mallard is a useless heap of junk because it suffers poor valve events up to a point. This is something we just love to do with railways, particularly locos, is focus very sharply on some critism levelled at some really rarher minor issue that doesn't constitute a total failure, as evidenced by a decade or more of working life, and say "bad". I guess the carriage equivalent would be me saying all MK1s are awful because the windows always seemed a bit sticky 😅just ignore completely the millions of journeys they enabled because the window mechanism was sticky.

same old issue, why are we even bothering to pick up off the rail anymore? Why are we not exploring a battery/wireless charging solution where possible. Now you'll say but this means smaller locos have smaller duty cycles because the battery size is limited but isn't that the ultimate realism... smaller locos doing a bit of work then having a break bigger locos going longer. However you cut it the solution to all our problems is to eliminate the rail as the point we collect power as it has always been unreliable and going way back dangerous. Now rotten fruit and animal parts will be thrown my direction along with all the reasons why it cannot be done.

The jump from 6 to 8 coupled express passenger engines never really happened and was pretty much all pain, in the UK anyway. The jump from 4-4-0 to 4-6-0 broadly speaking wasn't painful in the slightest, several of the initial efforts at 4-6-0s lasted into Nationalisation which is testiment to how good they were when given appropriate work. The real issue with them is that by the time most of them appeared they were already on the way to being out of date in terms of the jobs they were intended for. An issue that also plagued the jump from 2-2-0 to 2-2-2 to 0-6-0. You build a loco capable of pulling a train of X weight at X rate. By the time you have built it the trains are Y weight or run at Y rate. Was a constant battle to keep up which is partly why so many schemes that we scoff at today as obviously fraudulent or truth bending made it through to being prototyped. If you're constantly trying to keep up you'll take a punt on any monorail salesman and his incredible device to improve efficiencies 400%.😅

And in large part at least back then the only way to do this was build it and see, then mess with component parts. The line between failure and success being how much you are willing to mess around before either scrapping it or winding it back to something more convenstional and known

Yeah I do not deny there is a bit of that about it, however there is also a dose of our modern view point of how hard it would be stepping in because today it would be hard to do economically speaking and hard to justify economically speaking but go back to around the time of grouping and frankly far more objectively stupid things were experimented with which had absolutely no hope. Was also largely the case that many locos and even classes went through what would now be called "iterative design" rather than being designed well from the start. If you ever read a report of a loco working with no issues appearing from drawing board to operational prototype then these are more than likely an outright lie. And? The weight distribution can be solved any number of ways, the simplest being a counterweight, the next being counterweight plus springing calibrated to account for it. I've seen pretty much this exact problem play out in large scale miniature locos being converted from briggs boiler to proper locomotive boiler a similar messing about of the weight and it's distribution. I speak from some modest experience of messing with stuff when I say it really wouldn't be a HUGE challenge

Not really, the front end up to the rear drivers remains essentially unchanged unless as stated you want to add a 3rd cylinder but even then thats not a huge ask nor is simply counterweighting any extra load added to the rear by the new bigger fire box, a new frame extention/redesign of the frames and slap a wide fire box in there with a drag box for the tender and jobs done. The GWR could have gone down this same route to get a wide firebox atlantic out of the 2900 class examples that were built as atlantics. It's no great engineering challenge. Had they had the idea of the wide fire box way back when they could have experimented with this on planet type locos when they were busy converting those from 2-2-0s into 2-2-2s by simply adding a frame extension. You're only having a fiddle with 30% odd of stuff that makes up the design and none of it seriously in depth in order to achieve one from the other.

The LNER inherited 2 batches of 4-4-4 tanks, both by all accounts capable fast suburban passenger engines though unpopular with crews for whatever reasons(humans are odd at just hating equipment instead of learning to work with it) If you chucked a 3rd cylinder up the front you could get away with elongating the boiler and fire box just a bit and still come out with something that was balanced front and rear. You'd lose some weight and therefore adhession by moving to a tender but you'd claw some back by adding the extra cylinder etc. Then the problem becomes it being slip happy from the 3rd cylinder but once you got going it would probably perform quite well.

https://www.stationroadsteam.com/5-inch-gauge-4-10-2-innovare-stock-code-5409/ Other people have had similar devious thoughts on a tank engine based on a 9f... your example reminded me of the existence of this work of the imagination.

How about as a 4-4-4 for a slightly longer boiler barrel and slightly bigger fire box.

Think you can even get a kit for them in O gauge... they looked rather nice dare I say better proportioned than an A4.

I think there would be comedy value in the 4-10-2 variant but still with a tiny low sided 6 wheel tender

Ah, having left the small island though it's by no means a standardised thing. If they want to "make something that half the market can't run" well that's just their bag, if other manufacturers did it they'd probably get accolades for the accuracy, if they go with a flangeless wheel they'll get canned for the flangeless wheel and whatever else needs done to get it around the curve(remember the foaming rage over the hush hush wheel set). You can't win em all and there's no point trying, so they've decided to do what they want.

2 domes?... one for each cylinder...😉😅

Merchantable quality means it does what it says on the tin, if the tin says minimum 3rd radius, and it does that, its merchantable quality. If you buy it, say oh no it doesn't run on 2nd radius, that's on you. Industry standards are very not a thing you can invoke as there are no codified industry standards in this regard, pretty sure what constitutes a 2nd radius is up for debate. Certianly a second radius of what profile track is, and negatiate a 2nd radius at what speed? Think someone's announced a model you want and you need to upgrade the layout for it. They don't need to downgrade the model for you.

I hear ya, done some time working in psychiatric care, very interesting to have been both patient and staff. There is a duty to protect individuals with such impairments from making such choices if they are not capable of making such choices about their actions. However it is always a hot button issue as to weather the individual is capable of making the choice, or in what you've said, making the choice but failing to make the connection of appropriate place to act it out as the two are different things. As many court records will show there are plenty of people capable of consenting to do things yet lacking the sound judgement to do them or relishing in doing them in inappropriate venues. There is also a burden carried in the sense that it could be raised, but does that risk burning everyone elses work and reputation by association when their work and their reputation should not be effected, especially those who have come into the picture in the years that have passed. If I were to kick up a fuss now thousands of hours of good peoples work goes on the chopping block, all for me to gain an answer I may not even gain.

It's a strange spot to be in given a volunteering position at a railway was the venue of the abuse incident mentioned. (Apologies for the woefully poor spelling in the post it was as stated written while trying keep the little one asleep) To have had something so horrible happen in relation to something I get such enjoyment from and cannot separate from is always a bit difficult. There is left behind a deep distrust of a great many things I see in both real and model railways, a lot of behaviour that is very on the nose in terms of the way people act to manipulate young people involved in either. A great many questions unanswered as to who else the person involved did the same to, how he was allowed to carry on, why after all was said and done did the management of the railway in question not wish to discuss it or take it seriously given their own children were also involved in the outfit and accessible to the person. Everything else can almost be let go of, allowed to rest. These things though are bothersome. If you bring it up again too long after the fact people turn it around onto you for not challenging it at the time or not pursuing it sooner. So likely there will never be any real answer. I did think distance would solve it but having moved a world away it's still there and I'm going to railways here and seeing the same kind of behavioural trates in others as I can now see in him looking back and it is just a bit... whatever the word may be.

I'd like to share something of a condensed life story in hopes some of you might find some form of use in it and feel like there's hope yet(and because I need to remove some of the weight of it because I don't talk about it much) I read a lot of people here having a rough patch and well a rough patch is just that. A patch. I was born to parents both of which had some pretty interesting mental health issues, my mother has been through the mill with depression and my father is something I can't even define my guess is a personality disorder of some sort but either way he was very controlling of my mother and would threaten all sorts to get his way, a particular memory being that he would take us kids pop us in the car and crash it... This carried on for many many years and to be honest has never really abated just moved to new areas of creating drama. As a teen I was incredibly lost, full of drugs, full of anger, full of my own problems none of which really recieved any help from the places they should have, indifferent educational staff, indifferent parents, all the usual sources for guidance were lacking in any. I wound up in psychiatric care at various points I washed up at various places to try and escape some more useful than others, some downright worse than anything else going on. I fell victim to someone who abused me in that most vile of ways. I found myself at a complete loss. Amongst this mess I had a child who I haven't seen in more than a decade. All this before the age of 20. The next decade and a bit featured much much work to try to overcome these things, many false starts, many backward steps. Many years of thinking there was nothing left so why bother. Many a day of trying to find something to keep busy, modelling has always been there even through the worst patches, you ever built a wagon kit while on drugs lol, well not at all proud to say I have. You ever considered doing the worst things to yourself then just sorta gone stuff it and sat down to paint a model instead, I have. The last 2 years were very interesting, crushing loss of a child, followed by elation at the aafe arrival of a child, horrific employment issues, watching people suffer greatly while at work in the hospital, watching people come in with a mild issue and be ventilated within hours, watching so much. On top of still carrying so much from the past. I like coming to read this threat, I have done so from position of lurking around for quite some time. All of you who have provided support to others, hats off to you, all of you who have reached out for support, equally hats off to you it's not an easy thing to do to admit you need something. Anyway this has rambled, point is, no matter how bad it gets it can turn around. Right now I'm holding a bright eyed 3 week old, about a year ago I was olding a premature 22 week gestation baby who passed in these same hands and I'm feeling odd about it all. Work bench beckons me thinks.

😆stop jumping into the pit, you only make it more shallow by filling it. How about we all climb out the pit and learn something, what a beautifully positive stance.

Ah okay then Let me quote the man himself "I own hundreds of locos I know what I'm talking about" "Lucky you don't get to decide what content I make" There you go same thing in quotes from the man himself in his own words in his own replies. Funny you know a few years ago if we go back into the depths of him being an angry young man "stop questioning me or I'll tell me followers about you" How threatning, how vindictive, how... bully like? If you don't shut up and let me lie to these people I've tricked into believing I know my stuff I'll tell them and get them to comw after you. As I say, I've been around sam plenty, I know the man, he does not know what he says is true and he absolutely hates when people ask him kindly to please show that he does. He's probably only made this video in an attempt to get people to trust him in the face of someone actually bothering to measure things. Very scary prospect when someone comes in with measurements to challenge the opinions you've turned into memes and built your reputation on. Again, anyone actually wish to question anything I've said with regards to his stance on bearings or friction in mechanisms? Which he is so utterly far from having shown any real proof of. Mean as that is

Sorry I thought as per sams lesson discussing your haters and putting a teary eye next to it was just the coolest least vindictive thing on earth. I learn from the master.

I know I'm just vile aren't I, a horrible person that wants to see him do better and isn't blinded to his very real very impactful flaws by his notoriety or seemingly limitless collection of objects. How disgusting to suggest someone can better themselves, I should be ashamed. 🥲 All the while the viewer still isn't getting any actual answers and I think that's why you just showed up to say what you said... you can't question the criticism. So you question the critic. Much as Sam just did for the most part.

Destructive, mean... something about my mother. Yawn. Play a game of which of these accounts is Sam coming by for a chat.

...I'm samstains', welcome to jackass...🔥 (ah happy memories of that show thank you for reminding me)

Well, I'm not in the business of "reviews" so tbh there is no comparison to draw is there, you'll probably see my channel around it's ever growing, lord knows why I don't even really try to make it grow I just post whatever stuff I have, I'm the very first to admit it's a dumpster fire 🤣 I just upload footage of real trains, videos of rolling stock being built and well I guess soon many many hundreds of boring hours of video of locos going around and around a track and being measured periodically then some boring spread sheets of the data gleaned and maybe who knows, one of those nice spicy charts that people love to use to visualise things. Y'know, real nerd stuff. Kinda stuff nerds adore seeing and doing. Was a right pain to source a brand new Bachmann jinty with no brass bearings by the way, the amount of retailers that had to be combed through to find it in stock not as a second hand item for this purpose. Darn pandemic really caused a huge rush to buy even these "bad" models up. People who care about toy trains? People who care to know about toy trains in an objective way not just trust very dubious opinion that seems largely to exist as a meme? People who want others to have something more to go on than opinion. Opinions on these things are like the exit of the digestive system, facts are like 1kg gold nuggets. That's just a shame really for a hobby that was once about making people smarter through play. It's kinda the way of the world init, human nature, to want to better understand the things we are doing to get the most value from what we do and question the things we and others are saying. It's how people grow, how hobbies grow, how hobbies change and improve. Just going "no Terry stop improving the shape of the rock or trying diffedent types of rock and just bash that rock against the other rock for fun" isn't really how humanity got where it is now is it. We like to think, we like to question, we like to improve. If you don't give a flying you know what to know about toy trains... are you even into them?

What the speed run record for arrival in the mail to pile of bits on the bench? 😂