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Sure. Ok cool.. so May 91... Did class 87's pull these sort of carriages into the mid 90's? When did they swap to totally Mk3's?

Did Class 87's ever pull Mk2F's or did they pretty much always operate Mk3 coaches? thanks

^I have no idea. In any case I am getting my Mk3 a and bs mixed up.. either way there is no decent model of either of these coaches in IC livery in my opinion... so where to go from here? ...(that is if you want to model trains pulled by Early 90's Class 86 or 87's in IC livery? )

Thanks so much. So by say early 90's...say 92-93 - it's a fair guess all 86 and 87's push pulls (apart from that unique London Norwich service that stole the Refurbed DBSO's from Scot rail) would have been running DVT Mk3 trailers? And most definitely Mk3B's? And the LSL have done such a great job putting together a Class 86 and 87 in that combo with Mk3B's and IC Swallow on both locos and the coaches.. The real thing looks fantastic. Hornby now has a Mk3 DVT. Yes there is the light bleed problem - but that can be cheaply fixed with an inside paint job. The problem is the lack of Mk3B coaches on the modelling scene. Like I said there is the Oxford rail - but they just don't cut it with terribly inaccurate colour reproduction. The very old Hornby's don't cut it either... tooling is way to old for a coupling refit etc...So what else?! Any suggestions? I guess I could model just EBW sets with Mk 2f? But how long did they run with Mk2f's once the DVTS arrived? and the Locomotive Services rigs look so awesome!

Seeing LSL's preserved Class 86 and 87 and loco pulled MK3 coaches and MK3 DVT in Intercity Swallow has sparked my re-interest in modelling this era. But what models to buy? Heljan has released a retooled 86 but it is in IC Executive, so I assume this is too early? Would an 86 class in this livery have made it into the early 90's without a repaint? Would you have ever seen a Class 86 in Intercity Executive combo'd with a MK3 DVT in Swallow pulling Mk3 coaches? Bachman have some great Mk2F's in IC Swallow but I am not sure these were ever pulled by either the class 86 or 87 into the early 90's? The new Hornby Class 87 can be purchased in IC Swallow (King Arthur) but what coaches? The only proto-typical MK3 coaches that would have run with an 87 loco would be Mk3 buffered coaches right? ... not HST MK3's... but appropriate models are limited. The Oxford Rail Mk3 buffered coaches have a very poor colour rendition of Intercity Swallow - really they look terrible. So my question is what is the best way to model an early 90's IC Swallow AC Electric loco rig with the current available models from all the British model makers? Thanks!

Sorry to pull up such an old thread but did IC Swallow DVT's like this running with say a class 87 pull the same Mk3 coaches as the Class 43 IC 125 sets? Or did they pull Mk3A coaches? Does the new locomotive services rig running around today (inter-city.co,uk) with a DVT and Electric locos run these old ex 125 MK3's or something different? What is the difference between a Mk3 and a Mk3a? thanks!

Awesome help. Thanks so much - really appreciate that.

Hi new to the forum I have just purchased an old Hornby HST Swallow Set. "Great North Eastern Railway" One power car, one dummy and two coaches. I don't know what the R is but it comes with the original box. (edit) Maybe this isn't the original box? They look like two standard Mk3 coaches. They have pull out tension lock couplings - with those little scorpion type connectors. The power car is "Granite City" and has traction tyres. The dummy is "City of Discovery". Any idea what the R catalog number is? What other Hornby Mk3 coaches would I need to add to make a full HST rake? Can I use the two Mk3 coaches I have in another rake - say pulled by a Class 47 push/pull or just pull? Say with Mk2's? Would that be prototypical? If so what Mk2's? Could I mix an match say some new Bachmann Mk2fFs ...like a TSO with the current Hornby coaches I have? Would that make any sense? Or were MK3's used on the HST, *only* used on Intercity 125 HSTs? Thanks

Following this closely I have just bought a similar set off ebay. My model has had new traction tyres put on. Quick question - why would you take them off? How long do they usually last? years?