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Applying the same logic to the North Eastern, I wouldn't surprised if some of Fletcher's aging 901 Class 2-4-0s worked the line, or some of T. W. Worsdell's older 4-4-0s.

Thank you for the information - interesting that only four 2-4-0s were sufficient for the Midland's York trains.

Thank you, but the GCR never ran through Knottingley, at least as far as I can tell. They did run through Swinton at the other end of the line however.

I'm trying to increase my knowledge of the Great Central in South Yorkshire (future layout potential?), and I wanted to know what classes of engines and trains were common on the Swinton & Knottingley Joint Railway between 1900 and 1910. I expect older T. W. Worsdell types and Midland types, but I wanted to be sure.

In reading about 34066, I learned the Bulleid Society had tried to preserve either her or 34086 '219 Squadron'. Does anyone know why they failed to preserve them? I suspect it was an issue of raising funds, but it would be interesting to know more about this regardless. Also, did the engine ever work over any Central Section lines?

I suppose the hope was for traffic originating at Liverpool/Warrington headed for the Potteries and points further south. Whether that would have materialized, I'm not sure.

Just to clarify, 'Belle' only appears in the television series. Awdry mentions that the North Western Railway used lots of loaned Furness and Midland designs early on. For the Kirk Ronan branch, I'm thinking there might be secondhand engines from when the LMS culled the Knotty and Furness engines. By the 1950s, I think something newer and bigger would be better - probably a Standard 4 tank.

The original Huddersfield & Manchester was originally to have been part of the MS&LR, but it went to the LNWR, but I'm away from my copy of Dow, I'll check when I get home. By the 1880s, I believe the MS&LR and LNWR had been at daggers drawn for a while, so I'm not sure what would make the LNWR decide to partially relinquish control of part of their network.

I didn't expect this topic to take off quite like it has, my apologies. In any case, I'm trying to figure out what sort of engines would have worked the Kirk Ronan branch of Awdry's Sodor. He mentions in the companion volume that there is a ferry service between Dublin and Kirk Ronan, with comments by his son seeming to indicate the service terminates at Vicarstown, about 30-40 miles away.

Odd scenario, but here goes: assuming you a have a boat train service between a branch line terminus at a seaport and a main line station, what relatively quick tank engine should be chosen, from the entire range of British steam engine classes? It's a branch line, so no Streaks or Spamcans. The distance between the branch terminus and station and is about 30-40 miles.

In that case, I don't think the Midland would protest too strongly to the MK&WR, as now they have a more direct link from Manchester to the Potteries. The LNWR's objection is the thing that you have to just ignore. I'd like to include a junction with the Manchester-Birmingham line at Alderley to add some interest, even though it certainly wouldn't have happened.

Beer coming up from Burton seems rather likely, it would be the most direct route to the Mersey.

One of the railway schemes that the Overend and Gurney crash did away with was the Macclesfield, Knutsford & Warrington Railway. It was to link the three cities in its title, but it failed to raise the capital needed, had to request an extension and do away with the Knutsford-Warrington section. Finally in 1873 it was sold to the MS&LR, and quietly died. I've become interested in modelling this line in the 1900s-10s period. The Cheshire Lines and the NSR were to have running powers over the line, which are two of my favorite lines. What would the most common traffic have been on the line? Was there to be a junction with the Manchester-Crewe line? It would be nice to have the LNWR put in an appearance.

Thank you, this was just what I needed. I wonder if the 66 date was a typo.

Does anyone know when D5701 was repainted into rail blue? It was withdrawn in 68, and I suspect it received the repaint somewhat late, but just when is the issue.

I had noticed from BRDatabase that engines seemed to spend a summer (or about that length of time) at KSE before being moved elsewhere.

I've recently become fascinated by the Ivatt 4MTs, better known as Flying Pigs/Doodlebugs/Mucky Ducks. One of their most famous stomping grounds was the Stainmore Route, and I wanted to know more about their duties and reliability on that line. If anyone has numbers for the locos that worked there the most, I'd be very grateful.

Ah, thanks, both of you.

I was fiddling about with the power formula, and I decided to try the L&YR Class 28, a 3F. The class had the following dimensions: 180 PSI boiler Two 20.5"x26" cylinders 61" drivers Piston speed: (2 x 26/3.14 x 61) x 25 x 88 = 594 Checking the curve, the MEP is about 42.5 - 0.425 x 180 = 76.5 2 x 2 x pi x (20.5/2)^2 x 26 = 34,308.39 34,308 x 76.5 / 3.14 x 61 = 2,624,591.84 2,624,591.84/2240 = 6.1 long tons In other words, a 5F. Can anyone tell what I'm getting incorrect?

We've no money for that, we're on a budget!

Ah, thank you! This was what I managed to get, glad to see I wasn't too far off.

I appreciate your vote of confidence. I was trying to figure out the power class of a 4-6-2 pacific with two 20" x 28" cylinders, a 220 psi boiler, and 80" drivers. The nominal TE is a decent 26,180, but that tells nary a thing for power class.

Thank you! The American public education system did a uniquely poor job teaching me physics.

Sorry, I'm afraid I'm a bit slow on the uptake today - to calculate the piston speed of an engine with 28" stroke and 6'8" drivers at 50 mph, what should I do?

Right then, so is there an explanation somewhere of how to calculate the mean effective pressure and piston speed? It would seem that is all one needs to begin using the formula for themselves.