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Photos of W3083 on the SVR but in original late BR condition, sorry doesnt help with seating. Have you tried BRCoachingStock@yahoogroups.com they know masses about Mark 1s. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brmark1/h3131aefa#h3131aefa http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brmark1/h3131aefa#h399f8444 Regards Paul Bartlett

A photograph of what is almost certainly that working about 2/3rds of the way down this page http://www.railalbum.co.uk/diary/index.htm Wow, some power available here. Paul York

I disagree. These sound like the LMS Roadstone wagons, of which there were 101 built in 1946-8. See pages 175 - 6 in Essery, R, J, (1981) An illustrated history of LMS Wagons, Volume 1, Oxford Publishing Co. SBN 86093 127 7. viii + 180 pages (which is back in print). Paul York

Three Aitch Mouldings made a LMS 5 plank wagon. Paul York

60 040 heading south on tanks (to Immingham Area?) held on the freight avoiding line at York at c18.30 on both Monday 17 and Tuesday 18 May. Paul York

Prototype is preserved at NRM. see http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/p58883706.html Paul York

There are some of the suburban mark 1s at Royston in 1976 in this collection "Mark 1 coaches" (C#693000) – 46 photographs http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c693000.html Paul York Now in http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brmark1

Chris It was on show at the freight exhibition on 1 March 1979 http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/p3179744.html Paul York

They worked well into the late 1960s - plenty here with the yellow loading labels which were not introduced until the mid 1960s Yorkshire Tar Distillers tanks" (C#1080767) - 75 photographs http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c1080767.html And here are two, there was an EE class 3 hauling the train. Paul York

I think the one at Guide Bridge also retains Gulf red. http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/p9709418.html In my article Bartlett, Paul W. (1992d) Gulf red - a nearly forgotten BR livery. Modellers' Backtrack vol. 2 (part 4) pp 184 - 188 I mention that the building period for lot 3330 and 3348 would suggest that most, if not all, would have been finished in Gulf red when new. Paul York

Pix, thanks. I wonder what the 11 mermaids are that they refer to? And yes they could have been more courteous (to answer iak, yes Bachmann and Heljan do ask). As to Gulf red, yes there are traces of Gulf red on some of the VB wagons in my collection - they were introduced at the period when this was being used. The one I referred to earlier at Chester is, I believe, in the remains of Gulf red. Paul Paul

Dear all Sorry I am missing these PROTOTYPE discussions when they are in another area of the new RMWEB. Yes, they have screwed up. These wagons had open W irons and 1 brake per wheel in the GWR version - http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/p9709437.html Then BR brought in many more. These were also unfitted with 1 brake per wheel but had a solid W iron http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/p9709395.html Later still they brought in a design with clasp vacuum brake http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/p9709430.html Then to confuse the modeller the earlier BR unfitted wagons were retrospectively vacuum braked with clasp brake, done at Horwich works in 1980 as this new convert http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/p9709398.html I hope they alter the W-irons, and realise the model is only suitable for those built 1959 onwards. Paul