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Thanks you, that is amazing (but seems to be the same as another person reported). - I make that 39 hours from notification to me of your order (20.30 Wednesday)... Paul

Merf Thanks for the comment. I would be interested to know how quickly they get delivered, I had one person comment back that it took less than 48 hours! Paul Bartlett

I have posted photographs of MRA when brand new at York as a collection http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/mra Paul Bartlett

Photograph of it here http://PaulBartlett....alrail/eb495180 Another, older design, here from Brierley Hill http://PaulBartlett....lrail/e38107a28 Paul Bartlett

I have added a few photographs of road vehicles, and related as a new collection http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/road The discussion on NCL is related as they show a variety of trailers in use at the Peterborough freight depot which was used by NCL. Paul Bartlett PS - Many of you know far more than me about these vehicles, I would be pleased to see public comments added to appropriate photographs.

Frank It would be interesting to know more about this, At least one of lot 3012 had an early round based Dowty buffer http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brbrakevan506/e27c43b6c Is there mention of these in Gent E (1999) British Railways Brake vans and ballast ploughs. Pub. By HMRS 92pp. ISBN 0 – 902835 – 16 –5. ? Paul Bartlett

Thanks very much, I still don't understand why I couldn't find it - I did try a number of routes. Very nice photograph, far better than usually appear on these trade sites. Very early, as built livery. The regional allocation marking doesn't seem to have lasted too long. So roller bearings Wrong! The one mentioned on Modelfair site as DB954032 Prototype here http://PaulBartlett....an506/e2d4ccaa4 the body has been extensively rebuilt and the model has plain bearings - Wrong! It looks like Hornby have done two underframes and then mixed them up! Swopping over might work - but they are from very different eras, so shouldn't be used together in the finishes given. They also appear to have used a lot of my photos in the past, I've never had any contact with them, so don't blame me for their co%k ups Paul Bartlett

I am rather reluctant to help, as there is kit for the Turbot already available, and it seems a shame that everyone is having a go at Cambrian. Drawings of Turbot in Bartlett, Paul W. & Mann, Trevor., (1985) Non - hoppered Steel Ballast Wagons. Part 4 The Plaice and Turbot. Model Railway Constructor vol. 52 (part 615) pp 418 - 422 & 444 - 445. Drawings - Plaice diag. ZC511A : Turbot diag. YC502A Photographs http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brturbot including details. Drawings of Bogie Bolster E is in Bartlett, P., Larkin, D., Mann, T., Silsbury, R., and Ward, A. (1985) An illustrated history of BR wagons, Volume 1 published by Oxford Publishing Company, 192 pages. Also, including a few of the coils in Silsbury, Roger & Mann, Trevor., (1983) The 30 ton Bogie Bolster E. Model Railway Constructor vol. 50 (part 587) pp 165 - 169. Drawings - Bogie bolster E diag. 1/479 ; Uncoded Coil rebuild ; Bogie coil P ; Bogie coil P with ex BEV bolsters . Photographs BBE http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brbbe Coil R http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brcoilrCoil P http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brcoilpjpv Paul Bartlett

It is a pity no one has given a link to the Rails picture because I couldn't find it last night. No, these diagram 504s were vacuum piped see http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brbrakevan504. Therefore freight stock red when new. Paul Bartlett

Thank you. I don't know how many museums and conservation sites there are in the UK, but it runs into many hundreds so it is unlikely many of us will be familiar with more than a few of them. Paul Bartlett (who belongs to the EGRM "Ebor" Group of Railway Modellers. Which meant it took me years to realise that there was model railway club at the bottom of the road - in York! )

What a strange response! The LNER did not modernise its grains - they only had wooden bodied wagons, despite having the steel bodied alumina covhop. Before posting more, perhaps explaining the acronym KFRPS would be friendly. Paul Bartlett

No, sorry they are LMS design vans. These were some of the photographs I hadn't put back from fotopic - but have now done so. These were the early LMS design http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsgrain/e30d38eeb and http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsgrain/e3dd452ae The last batch of LMS vans were different and led to the design used by BR for more than a decade http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsgrain/e365ecd6d The steel GWR vans were very rare but I did capture one on a very mucky day http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/gwrgrain/e29e929ef . Although similar there are marked differences to the LMS vans. Paul Bartlett

The photographs that TMC has loaded without my copyright permission show the black ends clearly. Paul Bartlett

Dear Adam and Mike. Wow that was quick! I have seen 6 wheel sludge tenders http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/paulbartlettsrailwaywagonphotographs/e1d59259f http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/paulbartlettsrailwaywagonphotographs/e1e195909 but had not known of the 8 wheel versions! Thanks Paul Bartlett

Off topic, but what is that vehicle against the buffer stop on the front line? It is bogied, short and I thought a brake tender. But all except the earliest type (as page 61 upper picture in Larkin, David (1975) BR Standard freight wagons A pictorial survey. Bradford Barton Ltd, Cornwall ISBN 0 85153 240 3, 64 pages) have a curved top. Those early ones do have a flat top, but I don't think that LNER coach bogies would show the sides of the axleboxes so clearly (and they had a shorter flat top than this appears to have). Also what are those 'things' extending upwards from the side sheeting? By the way a lovely photograph, t'is a pity it appears to be undated. The van train is wonderfully varied - even one with a white roof! I wasn't taken to Warrington Old Junction until the early 1980s and it remained a very interesting yard at least into the late 80s. Paul Bartlett

Michael a nice photographs of the Chas Roberts built tipplers for British Steel. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/bscotippler/h359531a7#h359531a7 Very recently it has been pointed out that they were carrying coal to Corby and not iron ore. Bachmann have modelled these. Paul Bartlett

The reference to this is Slinn J N & Clarke B K (1987) GWR Siphons pub. by HMRS 122 pages. ISBN 0 902835 10 6 A revision is currently being worked on by John Lewis. The first edition discusses bogies, brandings and condemnation dates. Paul Bartlett

Some prototype inspiration here http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/gwrsiphon especially for those interested in the blue period. Paul Bartlett

Thanks, that is an interesting and very plausible explanation. I cannot recollect ever hearing any explanation for these boxes, which do not appear on the colour plate in the Corporate identity manual. Do you have a reference to where this was found in the NRM as I would be interested to see it - and only live 10 minutes walk from their library? As you say Gent E (1999) British Railways Brake vans and ballast ploughs. Pub. By HMRS 92pp. ISBN 0 – 902835 – 16 –5. should be referred to for brake van liveries. Paul Bartlett

I think my collection of these new bodied MDOs http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/mdorebuiltrenumber is of more general interest in showing how mineral wagons 'weathered'. Therefore give some guidance on the earlier mineral wagons, which were not photographed too much in their early days. They remain in quite good condition for several years, but once rusting starts it appears quite rapid, so that it can end up like . The Derwenthaugh photos are interesting, not least in that the numbers are so different, whereas they appear to be newly released to traffic. But some are quite difficult to explain, such as this 7 year old wagon http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/mdorebuiltrenumber/h1acbc71e#h1acbc71e which has the area over the number panel apparently completely rusty, whereas the remainder of the body is in goodish condition (and the frame remarkably clean). I must admit I think trying to reproduce weathering on mineral wagons in their first few years of life is quite difficult. On interiors, these wagons may have been painted internally when new, I suggest this because of the appearance of this wagon http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/mdorebuiltrenumber/hd4335a5#hd4335a5 and the many around it (which except for the one in the right foreground all appear from the narrow capping strip to be rebodied MDO). Description and drawings of the rebodied 21 ton mineral wagons were published as Larkin, David & Mann, Trevor (1983) British Railways 21 ton Mineral Wagons - the rebuilding programme. Model Railway Constructor vol. 50 (part 596) pp 708 - 711 & 697. Drawings - Double door welded rebody; single door welded rebody. The earlier unrebuilt were in Larkin, David & Mann, Trevor (1983) British Railways 21 ton Mineral Wagons. Model Railway Constructor vol. 50 (part 595) pp 637 - 641. Drawings - Welded double door diag. 1/107; Riveted double door diag. 110; VB double door with SAB diag. 1/120 and manual load diag. 1/119 Paul Bartlett

If you mean the square box to the right of the left hand number box then these were rarely used - they seem to have been for some sort of route information; they occasionally had a number in them. It was not for XP which was used for all piped vans as well as the rare vacuum braked ones. Do not overlook all freight stock was freight stock red for a few years after the introduction of the corporate image in 1964. Paul Bartlett

And two of the photographs are included without copyright clearance. They are not my slides, but I have control of them on the understanding they can only be used commercially - ie not banded about on the net. One on their site has clearly been scanned from a publication which acknowledged the copyright, the other I have not been able to trace - I suspect supplied to Bachmann for their internal use. The response when I asked TMC about this was "We found these pictures somewhere on the net and there was no copyright either on the website or the picture itself so they are free to use. To have a chance of being copyright they should have been watermarked or clearly stated on the site as being copyright images. " When I asked for a link (Google searching does not find them apart from on TMC site, but searching for horse box is very difficult) they did not reply. Paul Bartlett

OR you could take the same attitude as TMC did very recently when I pointed out that they did not have copyright release for a photograph they use on their websites. "We found these pictures somewhere on the net and there was no copyright either on the website or the picture itself so they are free to use. To have a chance of being copyright they should have been watermarked or clearly stated on the site as being copyright images. " As I have the original slide beside me (it is not one of mine) I don't know how they got this apart from via a magazine which has published with a clear copyright acknowledgement. Paul Bartlett PS - don't take this advice! Paul