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32 minutes ago, queensquare said:

This afternoon I have been mostly doing some colouring in!

 

Jerry

 

So you've plumped for a tunnel rather than a bridge Jerry for trains to leave the S&DJ scenic section?  Which one is it based on? 

Simon

16 hours ago, mikemeg said:

John,

 

Many thanks for the new front buffer beam etch. I've parted them and dressed off the cusp and then given them a polish with the fibre brush.

 

I did intend to use Arthur Kimber's brass castings for the LNER group standard buffers, on the locomotive and these do have the four corner bolts modelled on the casting. Looking more closely at the photo below, I'm not sure that the tender buffers are LNER group standard; they could be the original Great Central ones.

 

Different buffers, loco and tender, does sound unlikely but I have various photos which do show these types of anomalies; not least an A7 with one round and one oval buffer head on the front buffer beam or an A6 with oval buffers on the front and round ones on the rear. Even more odd, a photo of a G5, on a train, with only one front buffer head.

 

Now to complete the loco body detailing and the tender. Earlier in this thread there is a photo of 1482 taken in Ardsley shed c1949; three quarter view but from the rear, so I've reposted this photo below. This shows that the rear tender buffer beam did not have the profusion of rivets (or any rivets) which the front one had but there is additional 'plating' around the coupling hook slot in the buffer beam.

 

So if I build another B4, then I'll have at least the front buffer beam overlay, as a starter!

 

Once again, many thanks for providing this.

 

Regards

 

Mike

 

 

Different buffers front and rear is pretty common on GC types Mike. The tender and loco weren't overhauled together so it isn't that surprising.  There are several sorts of GC buffer as well as the LNER group standard ones too. The GC ones shown in your photo, packed at the rear, and the plain straight shank equivalent are possibly the most common.

Regards,

Simon

1 hour ago, queensquare said:

We had a superb day yesterday when the 2mm diesel group visited with representatives of both https://www.ngaugenews.com/ and Accurascale. I had hoped that the latter would take advantage of the visit to announce a comprehensive range of Midland clerestory coaches but sadly, like all the other 2mm/N manufacturers, they chosen to ignore my suggestion! 😀

What we did get was a diesel takover with some scottish traction from Pete Matcham and just a small selection of Steve Nichols fantastic early 70s Western region stud. Below are a selection of photos courtesy of Tom E. As a teenage spotter in the 1970s I was in hydraulic heaven - marvelous!

 

Whilst I didnt get any pre-group announcments I did get a firm booking for Steve to bring his wonderful Parkend layout to Larkrail next year where we will also have John Farmers P4 version. You heard it here first, put it in your diary, July 13.

 

Jerry

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just think what might have been had the S&D remained open as a through route between the north and the south coast.

 

 

 

Looks like track lifting has already started at Bath - thankfully its the other way round.

 

 

S&D passenger traffic in the hands of DMUs.

 

 

....and still plenty of freight traffic.

 

 

Rowney 1971, Steves take on the BR exhibition train. Who remembers the Stiff tour, 1978 - Reckless Eric, Elvis Costello etc

 

Jerry

Sorry to have missed this Jerry. At least it looks like I didn't miss any Peaks.

Simon

On 21/07/2023 at 00:55, 25901 said:

Mate of mind who works out of Longsight for TPE told me the other day that there's a old BR BRUFF lorry still parked up round the back of the depot.

Can anyone confirm this story as there is something that looks like a BRUFF on Google Earth

Cheers

Looks like C962YOR was still at Longsight in 2009. No idea if it still is.

Edit: see Darren "Sneeze" Flickr image from Lobgsight in 2019:

 Corresponds with @Merfyn Jones's image at Llandudno Jct here:

Simon

3 hours ago, corneliuslundie said:

"What about Scarborough to Holyhead in a 150/2?"

I believe that at one time there was a through working of a first generation DMU from Skegness to Pwllheli, though not shown as such in the public timetables. I used the part of the service between either Birmingham NS or Shrewsbury and Barmouth, if the story was correct. But it may have ben a myth.

J

A bit late for a first generation DMU, but Central Trains definitely continued the trend that Regional Raileays started and strung together some of their routes to produce interesting long distance workings.  I'm struggling to remember details from that period, but something like you suggest would have been perfectly possible prior to the loss of the Welsh routes (the Wikipedia page on Central Trains mentions Aberystwyth-Grimsby for example).

Simon

On 21/07/2023 at 13:29, DaveF said:

Mainly around Shildon with one from Ferryhill.  The Ferryhill photo was taken during a charter round the Darlington area and up the Weardale line, we had some photos of the working at Etherley etc a few days ago.

 

The first three of the Shildon photos were taken by Dad when he and Mum went on a weekend trip organised by the RCHS led by Ken Hoole to look at the Stockton and Darlington in its 150th year.

 

 

Shildon wagon works from top of Brusselton incline May 75 J4444

 

 

Shildon Masons Arms Crossing May 75 J4447

 

 

Shildon Masons Arms crossing May 75 J4448

 

 

Shildon Class 101 Bishop Auckland to Saltburn 18th May 85 C6926

 

 

Ferryhill view north from cab of Class 101 23rd May 87 C8482

 

David

I don't think much of the factory applied weathering in C6926!

Simon

17 minutes ago, SHMD said:

... and boy, could those platforms be cold!

 

 

Kev.

 

I still have my spotter's notes from December 1989 when the Liverpool-Newcastles were diverted back via Victoria on a Sunday. They're barely legible because my hands were that frozen.

Simon

20 hours ago, micknich2003 said:

Contractors loco', said to be at Alexandra Dock, no other details.

Manning Wardle? Possibly 1829 of 1872?

Edit: 1829/1872 is quoted in a list I found of contractor's locos, but seems out of place in the MW list i.e. the number is too large for the build date of 1872. 

Simon

1 hour ago, DaveF said:

On the Midland around Nottingham and on the line south to Melton Mowbray in black and white.

 

 

Beeston Class 5 down pass Leicester to Nottingham from train c1952 JVol2236

 

 

Ilkeston Junction from GN viaduct 3F 43560 up coal  and Beyer Garratt c1953 JVol4051

 

 

Emptying a ballast wagon c1952 JVol2188

 

 

Edwalton Jubilee 45607 Fiji up ex pass c1948 JVol7304

 

 

Edwalton LMS compound  41197 up pass 1949 JVol1094

 

David

Interesting effect with those two embankment shots. I don't know whether it is because of the juxtaposition of the two images or the contrast on the Compound photo, but at first I thought both 45607 and 41197 had block numbers. On closer inspection only Fiji has block numbers (straw coloured?) and 41197 has gold/yellow numbers in seriffed LMS style.

Lots of variation in that period!

Simon

51 minutes ago, david.hill64 said:

I wish my coach recognition skills were better: there is a fabulous collection of vehicles behind D278 in J1063.

A pair of Hawksworth coaches leading, then a D2159 'Porthole' LMS designed CK, followed by a Mk1...

Simon

On 13/07/2023 at 15:18, Tony Wright said:

Good afternoon Gilbert,

 

You're right - though we agree on many things, DCC isn't one, and I hope my previous post isn't seen as my being too prejudiced. 

 

Anyway, having removed BRANCEPETH CASTLE's decoder to fit into your new K2, I've brought her back and 'worked on her' for you - the aim being to offer her for sale.........

 

 

First things; the correct 12-spoked bogie wheels fitted, cylinder drain cocks attached, the return cranks altered so that they both lean forward (inside admission), rather than backwards as they were, the cab windows glazed and the drawbar altered to give a better arrangement 'twixt loco and tender. I've also reinstated the tender's rear bufferbeam (filling the gap left by the Kadee coupling's removal), though I've not made the prominent guard irons (they're missing from the front of the loco's frames as well).

...

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

Does 61626 need front frame mounted guardirons? They started to be removed from B17s in July 1952. 61626 probably ran for a couple of years between generals with early emblem and no frame guardirons before conversion to a B17/6 in spring 1955 (see Colour Rail ref no.90948).

Regards,

Simon

18 hours ago, rowanj said:

Two latest acquisitions from my "downsizing" friend, 60077 is a bog-standard Hornby from the very first issue of the China- built loco drive models. The loco was at Heaton until 1960, then went to Holbeck, affter which it rarely, if indeed ever, appeared on Tyneside. All I have done is add a vacuum standpipe and draincocks, I may well, however, renumber it to represent Blink Bonny which was on the railtour I mentioned  in an earlier post. I need to check when , 77, got the German blinkers. Well, it turns out that was in1961, so this photo must be from 1963, at which time she was at 64A (though looks far too clean for a loco from there),  Here, she is on an express for Edinburgh.

The B16/3 is quite a different kettle of fish. Brian built a classic cut and shut, using parts from a B12, J39, K3 and D11, I believe all ex GBL magazine. The chassis is modified Hornby B12, with Comet extras. How he did it iwas posted on his thread some time ago, and the result is so good, and particularly "Do-able", that I;ve asked if I can post some of the work on my "build" thread. I think many visitors there are of an LNER persuasion, while his devotees are sad ex-LMS types, The only issue I may have is the tender, which is a great effort to get a GC to NER representation, but I think the top detail ahead of the front coal rail may need amending- it should have a pair of tool boxes. Or should it?

Very nice and quite an effort to make a self trimming GC tender look like an NER 4125 gallon one. Yes, it should have twin toolboxes - the type that slope down to the rear.

Simon

I think you were only a brief Google(RTM) and picture search away from answering your own question. 20092 and 20169.

Simon

It would appear that March, and Peterborough, B17s and B1s did make an appearance in Northampton on occasion.

See for example 61660 here: 

https://www.rail-online.co.uk/p319746925/h2b446f2

I found this by searching for Northampton in the Rail Online search function. There are several relevant B1 photos too.

Regards,

Simon

1 minute ago, Ian Smith said:

Simon,

Yes, the box is at the end of the engine shed complex, in the junction of diverging lines.

Ian

That NLS link is the first time I've had a 'hit' with one of the 1:500/1:528 maps!

Simon

Is it the box shown in the photo a third of the way down this webpage that you are doing Ian?

https://www.yeovilhistory.info/penmillstation.htm

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=20.2&lat=50.94316&lon=-2.61530&layers=117746211&right=ESRIWorld

Simon

2 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said:

Hi Simon

 

I hadn't got as far as looking at the numbers. Also is the main visual difference between the GN and GC sets the toplight or ventilator over the guards door, thanks. I didn't know that.

Hi Clive, to be honest, although I have a set of Bill Bedford etches for a GN set I want to turn into a GC twin, I haven't looked into the details for a while (too many other coaches to build), but that was an easy feature to spot in rowanj's photos. Steve Banks provides some helpful information on these here: 

https://www.steve-banks.org/prototype-and-traffic/422-lner-steel-quintuple-sets

After a quick scan, aside from the different CKs you mentioned, he doesn't seem to point out any other differences.

Edit to add: This thread

was really helpful too, but sadly all the drawings that @MikeTrice kindly provided were lost in The Event.

Regards,

Simon

9 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said:

Hi John

 

The two sets of twins are mixed up. The two with the bowed ends are GN or GC steel bodied twin BSK+SK, they originally in five car sets BSK+SK/CK/SK+BSK. The GN sets having a short steel body CK and the GC had a long body CK. The sets were gradually broke up. So for your period they could well appear in a train of mixed stock 

 

The other two coaches with the center doors are a Tourist Stock SO+SO twin. After WW2 the Tourist trains were broken up and the various coaches were used as general stock.

 

In the photos they are a SK+SO and a SO+BSK, just swap them over and you have a pair of lovely twins.

Looks like one of the GN type of twin (D194 + 195). Toplight over the guards door rather than a ventilator amongst other details. Not convinced the numbers are correct for either GC or GN variants though.

Regards,

Simon 

29 minutes ago, Andy Kirkham said:

And another rarity from the same collection as above

 

 

 

These are from a place called Edenfield. Anybody know anything about the place?

 

 

 

A nice one of Welshpool

 

Torside Reservoir

 

Scropton Sidings: 3ft gauge mineral railway at Hanbury Hill , Staffordshire

 

 

Engine shed at Scropton

 

You'll get more joy if you search for Scout Moor tramway/quarry rather than Edenfield.  The quarry above Ramsbottom still exists. The Aveling & Porter 3' gauge loco shown  was named Excelsior and is still extant in unrestored condition:

https://www.steamlocomotive.info/nloconoteshow.cfm?which=28884

Regards,

Simon

5 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

Thanks Jason,

 

I presume they'd all have been fitted with electric lighting by then? 

 

I've just flicked through a few books (I don't have any on Midland carriages, though I should), but cannot find any images of them in BR days. Where was their final sphere of operation, please?

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

I suspect the final sphere of operation is quite hard to generalise. 

@Compound2632 has been kind enough to help me with an image in E.M. Johnson's The Midland Route from Manchester Part 1   (Foxline now Booklaw Scenes from the Past series).  It's wrongly dated, but post-nationalisation and shows a southbound Jubilee-hauled 7 coach 'express' formed mostly of a mix of coaches from close coupled sets together with an added elliptical roofed coach (possibly a 54' one built for the LT&S) at the rear near Heaton Mersey on the Manchester South District line. Compound2632 confirmed my understanding that all the 1903 sets built for this line were gone by this point, and posited that it could be a cobbled together excursion set, perhaps transferred from the LT&S . Given the loco, 45620 of Nottingham, I hope it was an excursion returning to the East Midlands rather than a Manchester-St Pancras relief!

Given the mix of coaches, and their location being out of place compared with the lines they were built for, in this one example, it looks like determining  where the last examples from these close coupled sets were to be found will be the usual situation of going purely on available photographic evidence.

Regards,

Simon

A quiet Saturday morning at Celsa Tremorfa:

Simon

33 minutes ago, Chuffer Davies said:

Surely we are talking about Bath Green Park? My childhood recollection is that Queen Square is in Bristol and being square faces the 4 points of the compass.

Frank

It was only Green Park from 1951.

 It is just Bath or Bath Queen Square in Jerry's period hence his RMWeb name.

Bath does have a Queen Square although the station wasn't/isn't on it. However railway companies naming stations after where they'd like you to believe they are rather than where they actually are is hardly unusual (now perpetuated by airlines/Airport owners).

Simon

It's only on looking at the map to see how the GWR and the S&DJR actually passed each other, that I now appreciate how remarkably prescient and accommodating it was of the S&DJR to build Queen Square facing the 'wrong' way just so that all these years later a certain Jerry Clifford's model would fit better in his shed!

Simon

2 hours ago, Caley Jim said:

Bob Jones is the man to answer these questions. He designed the kit. 

 

Jim 

I thought Chris Higgs did the Farish  replacement chassis?

Looking at the etch,  it looks like any motor can be used; glued directly to one of the spacers or mounted on one of the Association motor mounts as required to line  up the motor shaft and the coal hole. The narrow Farish body precluded the usual cantilever gearbox arrangement so it looks like (unless I've missed it) that either L shaped support brackets with a bearing for the worm shaft fitted to the spacers fore and aft of the wormwheel, an equivalent U shaped bracket or a milled equivalent will be needed. 

Simon

20 hours ago, great northern said:

I agree, and I am surprised that there is still no sign of a RTR model. I don't want to get embroiled in the "build a kit" debate, though even TW said he struggled to put one together as per instructions. The argument that they were limited to a relatively small area doesn't hold water  in this case, because of the Scottish connection, and I admit that it does irk me that a class of 75 engines continues to be ignored, while a 2.6.0. of another part of the country is on about its third revamp, and with competitors too. I shall allow my blood pressure to return to normal now.

Perhaps influenced by the alleged relatively poor selling of the K3 despite their greater area of operation over a longer timespan?

Simon