jonny777

I sat out in the back garden for 20 minutes, and a male Brimstone flew by. My first garden butterfly of the year.

To my fading memory, the class 22s sounded like a bag of spanners, but they made a wonderful noise when on full power. Although, I gathered that witnessing them on full power was something of a rarity because too long at that level and they caught fire.

No. My memory of the Warships in those days, was that they lacked that low pitched 'tunefulness' of a Western as they accelerated away with a train. They did sound similar, but less refined - if I can put it like that.

Is it a test track for 00 locos and stock?

Well, maybe you can work it out from this blown up image of the right hand door that is visible? Looks like another Mk2 of some description, but I'm no expert.

You mean like this? 47523 heads north out of Stirling, bound for Inverness. 31st July 1985

I wonder if the Mk2 issue is just one of timing. I think a lot of the first batches of Mk2 (generically speaking) stock went to the WCML with their shiny new electric service, and the ECML got some after that, but the routes to the SW were always something of a Cinderella when it came to coaching stock in those days. There is one here https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/2597708810/in/set-72157603648348394 but even that is 1971, and by the time that Mk2a/b stock had gravitated to the Devon/Cornwall services, the Warships had mostly gone, or were relegated to parcels and goods trains. There was an upsurge in hydraulic interest with the demise of the Hymeks and Westerns, but if you look at a lot of (especially the 52s) photographs, they were taken from 1973 onwards, which is why the Mk2 stock is more prevalent.

1N06 was the 0925 Kings Cross to Leeds & Bradford, due to pass Hougham at just after 11 a.m.

'Fraid not Phil, That was 1975.

Sorry to become a pedant, but a quick look in Parkin tells me that chocolate & cream Mk1s were rare by 1966, and only a very few lasted until 1968. There were also very few green Mk1s by 1970, apart from a few that had been transferred to the LMR - one of which appears quite regularly in videos of the Woodhead route about that time.

Yes, Neil. In fact the heavy rain in 1976 started at the end of August Bank Holiday Monday in the south. I know because my car got marooned in the floods during an almighty thunderstorm and I abandoned it and walked home. In fact September 1976 was the wettest for 50 years, and most places had at least twice the monthly average, with a few areas getting four times their normal monthly total. < /meteorological anorak mode >

Assuming Neil's typo was supposed to read 'not', here are a few more of my hydraulic photos. No wonderful D95xx shots I'm afraid, as the only time I saw one (until the preservation era) was at Stewart & Lloyds, Corby but no camera on that occasion. Here is D7026 with an up parcels heading towards Twyford - 12th April 1974 D1048 in the usual weather that I encountered when having a photographic day out. Plymouth 18th October 1976 D7093 leaves High Wycombe with the regular pick-up goods - 25th October 1973 D6310 on a short goods train at Exeter on 23rd August 1968, one of my earliest photos These pictures have appeared elsewhere on the internet in the past, but I thought it would be ok to share them here.

Might it be possible to get the Mods to merge this thread with Neil's other hydraulic one?

Oh my goodness. I am going to need a lie down after looking at these. I thought photos with one D95xx were like hen's teeth, but four in the same photo?

Ditto with the A40, except that my Dad's was grey - MJV897 was the reg.

Thanks Teddybear. They are just lovely.

Don't apologise, John. You haven't offended me at all. I accept that people will have widely varying views and life would be much poorer without these views being aired. I can see your point, and it depends on why people wish to have the copyright. As I have said above, for me it is purely re-assurance that I am not infringing someone else's rights to display the image in public. I suspect there are people who would like to believe pretend that having copyright is the same as having taken the photo, but why that might be, except to appear more important, I don't know. With regard to Ebay prices, "with copyright" will command a premium in price simply because of the extra freedom it gives to use the image.

In order to "play with fire" as it were, here are four slides that I purchased in good faith as "with full copyright". However, I really am not sure if they are just copies of copies, but I suspect that I may soon discover the reality. Enjoy, while you can. EDITED; to add that whatever the status of the image, there is a fantastic assortment of stock behind the Hymek.

Yes, the problem with photos without copyright is that we may not know who does own it. I wouldn't like to think that I post photos on here which were actually from commercial collections, and it would not be fair on RMweb if they were suddenly issued with a writ for displaying copyrighted material without permission. Now you might answer, but all commercial slides will have the organisation's logo on them, but in my experience this is not always the case. Unscrupulous folk seem to copy (at least in the past) commercial slides and then sell them on as their own originals. Now this may be easy to spot if you have a detailed memory of everything in the Colour-rail, GTR, Steam & Sail, etc., archives but I certainly do not. From a personal viewpoint, I like to purchase old railway slide collections for the simple reason that I know if I have them the originals will be looked after, scanned at high resolution and intermittently be displayed on internet sites such as this one; rather than being stuffed in a black bin bag and disposed of. Yes, maybe in 50 years time they will have faded to nothing, or have been consumed by some airborne mould, but at least the digital versions will live on as records of the distant past. For me, every image is a priceless vital glimpse of a moment in history, irrespective of whether I was there or not.

I don't wish to get into libellous territory, but I believe some people buy slides/negatives, then scan them for their own use before selling them on to someone else who has the (now incorrect, but perfectly understandable) belief that he/she has control over when and where the image will be displayed. I was also told that for 70 years copyright remains with the original photographer, unless they have transferred it in writing to someone else. Therefore, many of the images sold with copyright on Ebay are not actually, despite what the description might say. I bought some a year or so ago which purported to be from the family of the photographer, who had sadly passed away. Their only wish was that I credit him when displaying them online, something I am happy to do; but I am not sure that even with that scenario I can legally claim to own the copyright.

And David Christie has some quality hydraulic photos, also on Flickr, https://www.flickr.com/photos/david_christie/sets/72157625740408533/

Excellent work Rivercider. 5527 was a Gateshead loco for a while in 71/72, which would narrow down the dating process a bit, although it might have returned after moving to Immingham I suppose.

I did almost the same thing, only in April 2003, with an Olympus digital camera (5mp I think it was). I took it to Saltley and snapped a few locos, uploaded the results to the laptop, that I had hidden under my car seat for safety, and snapped a few more. I also gave up on slide film at that point, mainly because digital had suddenly become so convenient. Here is one from that day I think that it stands the test of time.

It is quite amazing what a brake tender search can come up with - 74008 with two of them - https://www.flickr.com/photos/52554553@N06/10421496904/in/set-72157636831654216 E6110 with two more - http://tinyurl.com/oy3h2cr 33006 with a minimum of two - http://tinyurl.com/kmdysek

You would have thought one brake tender would be more than sufficient on a locomotive weighing 138 tons, but this photo proves otherwise - https://www.flickr.com/photos/david_christie/8366445259/in/set-72157625740408533