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Hi Again, The attached is nothing to do with MR D299 opens but I cannot think of anywhere else it would be appreciated and it deserves to be shared. It was taken in Perth about 1925 and shown two former LNWR vehicles in LMS livery. The interesting one is to the right and is a LNWR Dia 45 Meat van in LMS livery which is not a livery varient shown in the LNWR wagon book. As can just be made out the LMS is in medium size script high up on the left side with Meat Van above it and presumably the wagon number and tare in a corresponding position to the right. The X on the lower right hand side designates it is a fitted vehicle (- did through piped vehicles also have this?) Anyway as an early LMS modeller I found it interesting......... Tony

More 'edge of neg' stuff but very unusually we have both sides of a MR brake van on the same day. It is June 23 1958 at Sutton Bridge on the M&GN and van M927 is branded for restricted use. Cheers Tony

I have always been told that the smell is not from the fish, it is from the polluted water running off them........ Tony

Yes it is a Coal Engine not a tank - Just a typo! Apologies, Tony

Yet another edge of a neg image, D299 I think but I cannot quite work out the wagon number. Initially it looks like 196753 but surely that is too many digits? Therefore I think the leading 1 may be a smudge. Willesden Jcn around 1928 - the coal tank has no LMS on its tender but 8261 in Crewe style hand painted script (but has lost its lamp sockets for lamp irons). The two railway staff are looking suspiciously into the wagon! What do you think the wagon number is? Cheers Tony

Great find. You must be itching to look at the Traffic Committee minute books! Well done Tony

Apologies, I must have completely mis-read Essery's book. The drawing does not show bottom doors. Cheers Tony

It has bottom doors as indicated by the \ / , this makes it a very rare Dia 300. Do we know how many were built and indeed if they were conversions? Tony

An extreme edge of a negative reveals another MR wagon, could be end door or D299. Photos of these in LMS livery are not too common. Perhaps the number helps? LMS/MR 25954 on 27th May 1933 at Yarmouth South Town station. The other wagon is GNR. Cheers Tony

Thanks everyone, I cannot find any ref to a 'Warners' PO (could the second word be Ilkeston???) of the period so it may remain a mystery. I thought it may just have wierd side/end ironwork but I think you are correct - it is a double ended tip wagon. Cheers Tony

I know this is a bit of a long shot but can anyone identify any of these wagons at Bagthorpe Junction on 2 June 1932? The first two look pretty ancient with brakes only on the other side and the second is certainly not riding well! Cheers Tony

Whitwell Colliery was always owned by Shireoaks Colliery Co. and the wagons lettered as such. They worked down to London over both the MR and GC route. The owning company had three collieries, two only on the GCR and the other, Whitwell on the MR but with GCR running powers (the GCR collected three train loads of wagons a day just from Whitwell Colliery!), therefore I think Shireoaks Coll Co got favourable rates from the GCR so favoured them. The Durham Whilwell pit I know very little about but have seen a drawing of the headgear and it appeared very small - of course it may have been enlarged. Tony

The works at Barrassie were built by the G&SWR in 1902 to build and maintain carriages and wagons, by 1928 they were just a wagon works and BR would close them in 1974, surplus to requirements. Presumably Kilmarnock was everything before 1902. Tony

Another 'edge of the neg' find. Ipswich shed in June 1934, but what is its origins - is it a Scottish wagon? Forgot to say -the shape of the LMS looks non-standard to my eyes..... Tony

It may not be D299 but it is a Midland wagon and another number for the database! 58860 1951c Middleton Top Tony

Next time Tim comes ask him to bring some filler and paint so he can cover up that crosshead screw head on the reversing lever lifting link......... Tony

Thanks, presumably for the triangle there that had sharp curves Cheers Tony

Hi, The title says it all really! What is it (there was nothing on the far rail) please? Cheers Tony

I was surprised to see colliery wagons from the Cannock coalfield tipping into barges on the Thames. Somehow I would have expected the load to travel all the way on a narrowboat. I guess the final destination must have been only river connected (or it was destined for a ships boiler?) otherwise the wagons would go straight into the location by rail. Do we know what colour the Asgill Goodman wagon was? Tony

Yes it was right on the edge of a neg, and it came with no info at all. Just a shed scene on the SECR at an unknown location, best guess around 1910. Tony

Just to get you back on track here is another MR D299 wagon number for you to add to your master list. 62114. Tony

The wagon lift photo with Capstain 3 is definately LNWR - there is a small LNWR asset number plate just above it, these are usually referred to as 'crane plates' but seemed to have been used on a number of items Cheers Tony

Nothing like answering your own question! I missed the link to the actual report which I have now found............ The ballast brakes were Nos 840 and 832, the former possibly written off due to being 'Badly Smashed' I think it strange that the report lists the damaged wagons as 'Midland Ballast Wagon' etc rather than LMS etc - was this normal at this date I wonder? Tony

Stephen, A couple of questions, firstly are the numbers of the two ballast brakes recorded (I would guess the leading one was written off?), secondly given it is 1925 could some of the ballast wagons be from a non MR origin (or indeed were they al LMS)? Furthermore 3 plankers were all pooled and although they 'should' have been LMS wagons the engineering dept could have pinched someone elses wagon? Tony