Porcy Mane

Crikey!!! You gave me palpitations with that post, having just researched out 62050 and sorted out some tender sideframes with straight ends for which it was fitted in the 1960's. But think I've sussed it now. I suspect you might of typo'd. Should 62050 not be 62020? I think it should. Porcy (Who's off for a lie down to recover)

I'm with you on this Bernard. Having just had a look through my K1 prints and not so many B1 prints; straight on K1, Scalloped on B1. In service I'm sure there would have been examples of visa versa but I haven't found any so far. Also further to my earlier comment, I haven't come across any phots of 4200 gallon tenders with the division plate repositioned to the further forward location not having the vertical "strengtheners". I'd read somewhere on this forum that Hornby considers themselves one of the premier model manufacturers in the UK market (or words to that effect). For even a percentage of that to be true they should perhaps be trying a little bit harder. 62024, 62027 and 62015 as modelled by Hornby all are straight as is 62005. If the Hornby tender chassis was a one piece moulding I could understand the financial reasons why they would compromise and use the B1 tender tooling but as the tender sideframes are a separate clip on moulding I can't see why they didn't tool up a new one. Surely it can't be as simple as Hornby not realising there is a difference? As model makers it should be easy enough to cut new sideframes to the correct profile. There are a couple of suppliers out there that can supply separate spring/hanger/axlebox mouldings. Doing this would allow anyone the model the bolts/rivets that Hornby have missed but as has been said previously, why should it be necessary. Here's a Pic of a lamp-less B1 tender with a flat top dome to mull over. 61036 by Gricerman, on Flickr P Edit: To add the picture... Bu**er!

But that would be a portrait. Sort of like this... you mean? but using a decent loco. From the portraits thread: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/73847-locomotive-portraits/page-3&do=findComment&comment=1099012 Porcy

Can't remember seeing this in the thread before. 61237 near Heaton Lodge with a vans train 3 September 1966 by pondhopper1, on Flickr Steam and pandrols. P

...and 1 minute 10 seconds further into it's journey. Porcy Edited to post correct pic.

Bachmann 37 of my oval of track. (It's 37174 approaching Browney, Durham, ECML,really) Porcy

Renishaw ironworks No 6. Porcy

Nurrr, thets ernly fer commoners...lyke.

Mick, I think thery are listed on the downladable planner. For some reason you cannot link directly to the page Go to http://www.highlevelkits.co.uk/ then click Gearboxes > Planning > Profiles That should take you to PDF with the key for final drive gear fixings at the top of the page. P It's arl reet Chris. Arl dee ya jerb fer yeh.

Sun was shining in Blighty for this one too. Porcy

With all this talk of babies it's worth considering that Mr G may have had more than just a hand in the conception of the original DJH AB! I keep suggesting a complete 14" 0-4-0 Barclay saddle tank to Chris but he never rises to the bait. But then... even if he did bring out an AB... would you buy a loco kit of this man??? He he... I've been looking for an excuse to post that for ages... Happy Christmas Chris...

Mr G does like to pose his stock on P4 track... I suspect he has secret desires. Porcy

Some one should post some progress pics of the rather tasty scratch built jobbies he's been on with for the past ?? years... That s 2 funnies because it's a bit of an "in" joke. Porcy

Never mind the 16 tonners. Check out the ex LMS Roadstone Container wagons. Colour too. Yee ha!!! https://flic.kr/p/qtcHzZ P

I fear we begin to drift way off topic... and why not... for here, freshly removed from one of the display cabinets in the British Museum of Railway Ballast is a piece of slag ballast. It seems since the last security check someone has stolen the highly sought after Shap Pink ballast, so for now, a poor quality pic of only slag ballast will have to suffice. Porcy

I think red/pink ballast was the product of Shap quarry. Piles of red, grey and pink "stuff"can be seen next to the rail loading point here; https://goo.gl/maps/NulX2 This 2002 pic shows weathered grey ballast, new grey ballast and new pink ballast. My guide told me the pink and grey had been both been delivered from Shap. Nairnshire Modelling supplies (or it may have been it's forerunner, Lanarkshire Modelling supplies?), used to sell bags of 4mm scale Pink ballast but I think the only place it sold in any quantity was at the North east shows, and to Modern outline modellers. Perhaps if Dave Franks is reading he could confirm. P

I'm starting to wonder if Hornby had modelled the running plate as on the prototype with the inbuilt angled fall running along under the boiler it would add a bit of strength? P

Not a photo by me. Just a link to Flickr. Here's a top down view of the K1 Tender as modelled by Hornby. [attachment=512191:HbyR3243-K1-loco-26-EditSm.jpg] P

That's no ruler. It's a gasket scraper but it was within spec the last time I calibrated it. Note to self: "Line ruler up with background lines to avoid confusion" P

That's why I try to work form photographs as much as possible. My plans are to model 62045 & 62027 as running in the early to mid 1960's. Fortunately for me, I have rear end phots of 45 and 27. Both has the same detail as shown in post #369. I also have two phots of unidentified K1s at Stella Gill and Thirsk Town that also are the same. All the phots are taken after the tenders were modified with the rear division plate moved forward and arc raised. Also checking a few pics of 4200 g tenders fitted to V2's and they have the ribs. Thats not me being critical of Hornbys tender btw because as ever Rule 1 applies. P

Thats it. To my eyes the dome also appears significantly larger to that which Hornby has modelled and there was also the ribs on the coping plates. If any body wanted to model the rear lifting shackles in the raised position as in the photo, Dave Alexander does a set of lost wax tender shackles also Wizard Models and Ambis do various etched shackles. On the Hornby tender, there's no detail on the rear of the front division plate. I'd Imagine there should be re-enforcing plates around the lift eyes, a few panel lines and the inevitable rivet or bolt heads. This is what 62005 is like as preserved: Mallaig Scotland 10th September 2012 by loose_grip_99, on Flickr but who's to say that is what and when it was like under BR ownership? I guess it's just more proof of the rule that you need a photo of the chosen prototype at the time modelled to be absolutely certain. P

Here's one I did earlier. Actually I've done nothing to this at all. For the photo the running plate is mounted to the chassis at the front and rear using no more than the smallest slivers of double sided tape. (About 2.5mm square) This was enough to hold the RP against the chassis and overcome its natural tendency to spring upwards. Without the RP being fixed to the boiler, the curve, although not completely eradicated has improved immensely. As can be seen, the rear of the RP still rises up by the thickness of the rivets at the cab end but with a little work I think this could be bettered. I'll thin the reversing lever bracket as outlined by an earlier poster to see if that gets rid of the remaining slight rise in the centre and then remove the excess glue (by scraping?) which was pushing the running plate down from the bottom of the firebox. You should be able to see this ringed in the second photograph. Also ringed is the areas on the RP and smokebox were I've already removed splodges of glue; Final pic shows some tampo printing. P (Hoping I may not have to resort to heat.)

Sorry to hear about your problems but you weren't alone with a lack of glue on the tender. Mine fell apart with handling but I looked on this as a positive as I wanted to pull it apart to see how easy it would be to thin the side plates. It seems as though the lack of glue on my tender was compensated for by using an excess on the loco. I'm probably the only bloke who would like to see some RTR models made available as fully knocked down kits? P

Don't think so... 62005 had rivets at each end of the smokebox and also had the quite distinctive riveted draw beam. No apologies from me for mentioning the rivet word. Luckily it looks as though Hornby have tooled up for this version at some point according to a pre production picture posted by Andy Y here: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/82160-Hornby-k1/page-3&do=findComment&comment=1480642 There was a full set of pre production pics of this version posted somewhere on the forum some time ago. These prototype pics illustrate what I'm talking about and the Flickr contributor has also made the pics available in Hi res. In the last pic a rear view of the tender shows a few bit missing from the model but quite easy to add with plasticard. Class K1 62005 Filey (Butlins Camp) SLS/MLS Special 6 March 1965 by ricsrailpics, on Flickr Class K1 no. 62005. Butlins (Filey) Holiday Camp. SLS/MLS special. 6 March 1965 by ricsrailpics, on Flickr Class K1 no.62005. York. 30 August 1963 by ricsrailpics, on Flickr Class K1 62005. Filey (Butlins Camp). 6 March 1965 by ricsrailpics, on Flickr Hth, P Edit: I wonder if someone may ever request this livery version? http://www.davidheyscollection.com/userimages/00001-d-salmon-62005-TD-9-9-67.jpg and get rid of some silly wording.